Bankruptcy: Boy Scouts of America

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
temporal1

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appleman2006 wrote:
Josh wrote:Remember these people think they’re doing the right thing.

I used to be one of them and really thought the philosophy myself and my friends had was the right, moral way.

The person who showed me the light was a person who told me drunkenness is wrong. We can win these people if we don’t keep our light under a bushel.

Arguing/debating the specifics won’t win any souls. Seeing someone’s actual spiritual need will.
I agree and it is the conclusion I have come to as well. I asked the question here because I am always curious to know how other Christian people look at these things. But I generally never get into this with someone I would just meet on the street. While winning a debate with them may be as easy as shooting fish in a barrel, unless I have actually pointed them to Christ, I have really done nothing.
i’m very sad for them, i pray for the lost. it is sorrowful.
Jesus did. .. “for they know not” .. :-|
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temporal1

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JimFoxvog wrote:
MaxPC wrote: The most recent research from Johns-Hopkins, conducted by a lesbian researcher strongly supports the premise that homosexuality is not a genetic condition. It is a learned behavior.
Do you have link? I'd appreciate it.
There was a lot of mainstream news on this in 2019.
One source, probably not the one Max was referring to:

August 2019 / Scientific American
“Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior”
Analysis of half a million people suggests genetics may have a limited contribution to sexual orientation
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -behavior/
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JimFoxvog

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temporal1 wrote:Page 4
JimFoxvog wrote:
MaxPC wrote: The most recent research from Johns-Hopkins, conducted by a lesbian researcher strongly supports the premise that homosexuality is not a genetic condition. It is a learned behavior.
Do you have link? I'd appreciate it.
There was a lot of mainstream news on this in 2019.
One source, probably not the one Max was referring to:

August 2019 / Scientific American
“Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior”
Analysis of half a million people suggests genetics may have a limited contribution to sexual orientation
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -behavior/
This sounds much more like the info I'm aware of; that there might be a limited contribution to sexual orientation genetically.

I consider it similar to alcoholism in this way. People who have alcoholism in their ancestry are more apt to become addicted. Many won't.
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temporal1

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JimFoxvog wrote:
temporal1 wrote:Page 4
JimFoxvog wrote: Do you have link? I'd appreciate it.
There was a lot of mainstream news on this in 2019.
One source, probably not the one Max was referring to:

August 2019 / Scientific American
“Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior”
Analysis of half a million people suggests genetics may have a limited contribution to sexual orientation
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -behavior/
This sounds much more like the info I'm aware of; that there might be a limited contribution to sexual orientation genetically.

I consider it similar to alcoholism in this way. People who have alcoholism in their ancestry are more apt to become addicted. Many won't.
i don’t know.
i’m not sure why some seem to want to find a genetic connection, esp not something that could be detected in the unborn. our culture is not tolerant of genetic “anomalies,” Down Syndrome is one.

i haven’t thought of carnal sins as being like alcoholism.
carnal sins are distinct in scriptures, they affect everyone, we are all carnal beings, we all wrestle with it. we all must fight carnal sins. homosexual sins should not be an exception - altho, certainly, they are understood to be the exception by a lot of people. i just believe that’s a mistake.

if there is some kind of genetic connection for homosexuality, i would fully expect similar to be the case for fornication, adultery, etc. (certainly, heritage+culture contribute!)

in any case, we are called to fight off sin, no matter how tough that battle is, and, no matter if some have it easier than others. some fight hard not to steal. the list goes on. but, the call to reject sins is for everyone equally, even tho our different walks will not be identical.

in human reasoning, it’s not fair, is it? :-|

scriptures warn, life on earth is not fair.
i’m really thankful about that. if scriptures promised “fair,” and we have “this,” it could be ‘way harder to deal with than it is.

we’re not only warned life is not fair, we’re given Truth to help us cope+endure. :)
homosexuals get the same hope the rest of us do.

the way i understand it. :-|
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temporal1

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Almost forgot. ^^
There’s also the genetic question of procreation.
Esp in history, before IVF, and “what-not.” There’s a math problem. :?
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JimFoxvog

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temporal1 wrote: i’m not sure why some seem to want to find a genetic connection, esp not something that could be detected in the unborn. our culture is not tolerant of genetic “anomalies,” Down Syndrome is one.
Yep. If a biological contribution to same-sex attraction is found, biological ways to prevent such an "orientation" may soon follow.
temporal1 wrote: i haven’t thought of carnal sins as being like alcoholism.
carnal sins are distinct in scriptures, they affect everyone, we are all carnal beings, we all wrestle with it. we all must fight carnal sins. homosexual sins should not be an exception - altho, certainly, they are understood to be the exception by a lot of people. i just believe that’s a mistake.
I'm not at all sure that drunkenness is different kind of sin. An addiction model for homosexual behavior is often a helpful approach.
temporal1 wrote: if there is some kind of genetic connection for homosexuality, i would fully expect similar to be the case for fornication, adultery, etc. (certainly, heritage+culture contribute!)
I expect the claim that promiscuity is biological may be as valid as the claim for homosexuality. But most Christians do not consider that a valid excuse.
temporal1 wrote: in any case, we are called to fight off sin, no matter how tough that battle is, and, no matter if some have it easier than others. some fight hard not to steal. the list goes on. but, the call to reject sins is for everyone equally, even tho our different walks will not be identical.
Absolutely right! We must remember that Jesus was tempted as we are:
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tested in every way as we are, yet without sin --Hebrews 4.15 (HCSB)
I would think this would have to include sexual sins.
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temporal1

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Jim:
temporal1 wrote:
if there is some kind of genetic connection for homosexuality, i would fully expect similar to be the case for fornication, adultery, etc. (certainly, heritage+culture contribute!)
I expect the claim that promiscuity is biological may be as valid as the claim for homosexuality.
But most Christians do not consider that a valid excuse.
i first began to question the “exceptional” view of homosexuality when public cases of divorces based on spouses claiming to be homosexual, or caught in homosexual acts, became commonly known.

This became puzzling to me.

Because, what can be done with vows to “forsake all others?” :?
That seemed to begin to mean, “forsake all others,” EXCEPT if others are homosexual,
then adultery and divorce are A-Ok. :shock: This seemed a glaring logic error. :shock:

Since, in the world, in human law, and among lots of Christians, i sense quite a lot of “exceptional” and special treatment, enabling, “empowering” for homosexuals.

Possibly, being a true historical sub-culture, in their privacy and echo-chamber, they came to conclusions that do not match others’. Celebrating carnal sin and pride being primary.
These are central causes of “bumps” with Christians.

It’s bedrock Christianity to confess, repent, submit, obey. (Lots of bunny trails in there.) :-|
Still, sinners know they sin, too often choosing to continue. Continuing in sin is the big deal.

Sin always comes back to, it’s wrong, and not of God’s Will. There is a price.

This cannot be resolved with celebrating sin, and being prideful in sin.
Not on its closest day of tolerance.
Tolerance is important, but not without limitations.
Tolerance is meant to allow time for confession+repentance, not time for normalizing and accepting unrepentant sin.

To confess and repent, one must be aware of their sins.
Today, magnificent effort is made to avoid and deny awareness that homosexuality is sin.
Frankly, similar is true for fornication+adultery. This adds to the confusion, and correctly so!

Muddy waters.

Not too muddy for God. :D He promises His Way out. :D

1 Corinthians 10:13
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/10-13.htm
..
12So the one who thinks he is standing firm should be careful not to fall.

13No temptation has seized you except what is common to man.

And God is faithful; He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear.

But when you are tempted, He will also provide an escape, so that you can stand up under it.

14Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.…
There have been years in my life when i clung to these powerful words for-my-very-life.
God promises His way out! Pray for His Way. :D
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temporal1

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UPDATE:

”Sex-Abuse Claims Against Boy Scouts Now Surpass 82,000”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/15/us/b ... uptcy.html
More than 82,000 people have come forward with sex-abuse claims against the Boy Scouts of America, describing a decadeslong accumulation of assaults at the hands of Scout leaders across the nation who had been trusted as role models.

The claims, which lawyers said far eclipsed the number of abuse accusations filed in Catholic Church cases, continued to mount before a Monday deadline established in bankruptcy court in Delaware, where the Boy Scouts had sought refuge this year in a bid to survive the demands for damages.

Paul Mones, a lawyer who has been working on Boy Scouts cases for nearly two decades, said the prevalence of abuse detailed in the filings was breathtaking and might reflect only a fraction of victims.


“I knew there were a lot of cases,” Mones said. “I never contemplated it would be a number close to this.”

One coalition of attorneys, operating as the group Abused in Scouting, has clients from all 50 states along with cases in which the abuse occurred overseas at places such as military bases in Japan and Germany. The accusers range in age from 8 to 93. While the vast majority are men, some women have also filed complaints.

The avalanche of claims, 82,663 of them by late Sunday, set up a monumental task for the bankruptcy case as the Boy Scouts seek to one day emerge with its operations intact. .. ..
it continues ..

Patterns of response to claims of abuse/fraud, are the same everywhere:

DENY GUILT
DISCREDIT CHARGES
DISCREDIT ALLEGED VICTIMS
PROMOTE ONE’S “INFALLIBLE” CREDIBILITY, OFTEN WITH EXAMPLES OF YEARS-DECADES-HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF “TRUST”
ATTEMPT TO BYPASS CULPABILITY BY POINTING OUT HOW “OTHERS” SURELY WILL BE HARMED BY PURSUIT OF ALLEGATIONS

Sin is always the same.
From the snake in the Garden to today. No change.

Image

Is that a snake holding the microphone?! :shock:
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RZehr

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No wonder they thought it would be a good idea to change their position on homosexuality.
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temporal1

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RZehr wrote:No wonder they thought it would be a good idea to change their position on homosexuality.
Hold on. The future may bring much worse yet. It’s in process, day by day.
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