MaxPC wrote:The obvious answer is in Scripture. Thank you for bringing in that light of Scriptural wisdom.
Oddly, threads that try to apply Scripture to issues like this die out quickly. Scripture is not primarily a source of juicy denunciations to throw at other people.
Anyone want to bring some Scriptural perspectives to the following thread?
Or perhaps it would be helpful to start other threads looking at specific Scriptures that relate to race, injustice, and related issues? I really would be interested in some Bible study related to themes like these. The best way to show our discipleship to Scripture is to approach Scripture, together, asking God to open our hearts, giving it time and prayer.
Please, anyone who thinks that we need a more Scriptural approach, start some threads that show how to apply Scripture to our current situation. Or join some of the threads people have started that died out because people were more interested in discussing other things.
Robert wrote:Watch the video embedded in the article. The protesters are not distancing or masking very well.
I created this thread to make one simple point: if you want to know what most black people believe about any subject, polls are a good place to look. The things we see in our Facebook feeds may not be representative.
This has become a dumping ground for anything related to race that might get people riled up. That seems to happen a lot on threads related to race. I think it makes it a lot harder to have a calm discussion about anything related to race. It tends to turn up the heat and turn down the light.
I wish people would stop doing this.
You are one person who has a perspective and there are many others who have a different perspective. If you want a perfect thread, start your own forum and only allow yourself.
I post things I hear many saying that are part of the black community. I stay out of your systematic racism thread because you choose to define it in ways I disagree.
How are the videos I posted or links I posted not blacks speaking about their community? Seems you are too controlling and limiting. Sorry it doesn't fit your ideology. Grow up and stop whining.
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Wade wrote:
Where are the people loving their enemies? Where are the people doing good to those that curse them? NONE of them are protesting. Protesting is at the core so much of the opposite of the heart of Christ - Wake up!
Here, in rural Bureau County Illinois, there's me and my wife, one of our church elders, a music leader, and other Christians I know who try to love our enemies and do good to those who curse us, who are also protesting racism and police brutality.
The heart of Christ led him to dramatic protests, the Messianic march on Jerusalem and the disruption of temple commerce. "Wake up!"
Wade wrote:Maybe my view is tainted because of my experience:
So far every single person whether Christian or non who is pro Black Lives Matters or black lives do matter quickly throws accusations (typically racist) at anyone who doesn't completely agree.
And most people I have interacted with including a bunch of atheists are quoting people under attack who have said things like, "We are all one race under God!"
So really I am excited that so many of my atheist friends are turning from media influences to considering Christ - I just hope that none of them come in contact with any "Christians" that would rather magnify skin colour than magnify that with God we are one race.
Hi, Wade. I'm Jim Foxvog. I'm a Bible-believing Mennonite Christian who is pro Black Lives Matter. I really think that black lives do matter. I do not think I've thrown accusations "at anyone who doesn't completely agree." Do you?
Yes, biblically and scientifically we are all one race. That's very important. However, "race" also has a cultural meaning that profoundly affects people's experiences. To ignore that is not being racist, but it shows unawareness of oppression that many experience.
JimFoxvog wrote:I'm a Bible-believing Mennonite Christian who is pro Black Lives Matter.
Jim do you support the organization of Black Lives Matter or do you support the statement black lives matter?
Thanks for the clarifying question.
I support the movement, which is much more than any specific organization, whatever they named themselves. This is what almost all people who support Black Lives Matter would say. Yes, there are those in the movement who support many other things that I, as a Christian, can't agree with, whether that be Marxism, sexual perversions, or violence. I think that the right-wing media focusing on a few radicals is motivated by wanting to discredit the movement. I think it appropriate for Christians to speak up against racism and against police brutality.
Wade wrote:Maybe my view is tainted because of my experience:
So far every single person whether Christian or non who is pro Black Lives Matters or black lives do matter quickly throws accusations (typically racist) at anyone who doesn't completely agree.
And most people I have interacted with including a bunch of atheists are quoting people under attack who have said things like, "We are all one race under God!"
So really I am excited that so many of my atheist friends are turning from media influences to considering Christ - I just hope that none of them come in contact with any "Christians" that would rather magnify skin colour than magnify that with God we are one race.
Hi, Wade. I'm Jim Foxvog. I'm a Bible-believing Mennonite Christian who is pro Black Lives Matter. I really think that black lives do matter. I do not think I've thrown accusations "at anyone who doesn't completely agree." Do you?
I have been accused by every pro BLM person in face to face interactions if I don't say I support BLM. And it depends on the next part whether you are accusing or not.
JimFoxvog wrote:Yes, biblically and scientifically we are all one race. That's very important. However, "race" also has a cultural meaning that profoundly affects people's experiences. To ignore that is not being racist, but it shows unawareness of oppression that many experience.
If you mean skin colour when you say "race" has a cultural meaning; then I can agree with that as long as it is based on location as well. Because without that missing piece of location aren't you suggesting that every single black person I see should be viewed as growing up in the worst parts of cities in the USA carrying a cultural baggage? Do you know what the black population is in the world? Should I treat every black person automatically with sympathy and quite possibly offend them. My sister-in-law had a black fiancé who was born in Africa but grew up well off in Italy - should I have assumed a bunch of things about him? So, if you could be implying that I show an unawareness of oppression from peoples experience by rather listening to the people directly instead of buying into the understanding projected in the media then; yes, possibly it sounds like you are accusing too.
Wade wrote:
Where are the people loving their enemies? Where are the people doing good to those that curse them? NONE of them are protesting. Protesting is at the core so much of the opposite of the heart of Christ - Wake up!
Here, in rural Bureau County Illinois, there's me and my wife, one of our church elders, a music leader, and other Christians I know who try to love our enemies and do good to those who curse us, who are also protesting racism and police brutality.
The heart of Christ led him to dramatic protests, the Messianic march on Jerusalem and the disruption of temple commerce. "Wake up!"
Jim, please stop and just think about this.
Jesus dealt with people personally in the temple - show me where protesting deals with people personally?
The Messianic march into Jerusalem focused solely on Christ - God in the flesh who is justice. Protesting demands justice by focusing on injustice from the world.
The two are the very opposite in focus and heart. The first focuses on Christ and justice and the latter focuses on injustice and the world.
