Wade wrote:There are troubling continued tactics deployed to silence people. Accuse them of name calling and misrepresent them. I gave evidence for JBG himself giving support to BLM which holds to Marxist ideals - warning someone that they are supporting Marxism is not calling them a Marxist.
To me, one of the main tactics used to silence people is to change the subject to the person and associate that person with scary labels like "racist" or "Marxist". Makes it hard to have conversations that are actually about subjects, approaching the conversation from various points of view. Witness this thread, remember what it was actually about?
Another tactic is to simply keep repeating what you said before as though the other person had said nothing at all instead of responding to what the person said.
I doubt these are actual tactics, I suspect it's not intentional, but this is what I am responding to.
Wade wrote:There are troubling continued tactics deployed to silence people. Accuse them of name calling and misrepresent them. I gave evidence for JBG himself giving support to BLM which holds to Marxist ideals - warning someone that they are supporting Marxism is not calling them a Marxist.
To me, one of the main tactics used to silence people is to change the subject to the person and associate that person with scary labels like "racist" or "Marxist". Makes it hard to have conversations that are actually about subjects, approaching the conversation from various points of view. Witness this thread, remember what it was actually about?
Another tactic is to simply keep repeating what you said before as though the other person had said nothing at all instead of responding to what the person said.
I doubt these are actual tactics, I suspect it's not intentional, but this is what I am responding to.
I was taught growing up that when someone misunderstands you to make sure that you repeat and clarify - and that is rigth and polite thing to do. That is what I was trying to do by repeating since your posts complete miss what I have been saying and misrepresent me grossly.
But I need to let go of those teachings I grew up with and stop being a fool in inviting a beating by responding to you:
Proverbs 18:6 The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.
Videos posted on social media show parishioners, both black and white, being harassed and physically assaulted at Grace Baptist Church in Troy, New York.
The protesters, repeatedly shouting “Black Lives Matter,” even harassed and blocked churchgoers while they were with their young children, using a megaphone to scream at the families, shaming and threatening their parents with calls to CPS, or Child Protective Services.
The assaults, harassment, and protesting have been occurring since at least the end of June, according to the viral videos posted online. The church has refused to close or backdown, directing men from the parish to help escort fellow worshipers inside as they are blocked by BLM protesters.
Grace Baptist Church made headlines last month for giving away an AR-15 as a prize for a church raffle. When the giveaway was first reported, Pastor John Koletas told WNYT that the church held it in solidarity with hunters and gun owners who have been “viciously attacked by anti-Christian socialist policies.” One local critic told WRGB at the time that the giveaway exhibited “extreme poor taste,” citing “all of the shootings going on in all of our communities.”
However, it’s unclear if the gun-giveaway is connected to the protests shown in the videos. In the videos, protesters slam the church as “racist” but do not appear to mention the AR-15 giveaway.
Watch the video embedded in the article. The protesters are not distancing or masking very well.
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Robert wrote:Watch the video embedded in the article. The protesters are not distancing or masking very well.
I created this thread to make one simple point: if you want to know what most black people believe about any subject, polls are a good place to look. The things we see in our Facebook feeds may not be representative.
This has become a dumping ground for anything related to race that might get people riled up. That seems to happen a lot on threads related to race. I think it makes it a lot harder to have a calm discussion about anything related to race. It tends to turn up the heat and turn down the light.
Wade wrote:I was taught growing up that when someone misunderstands you to make sure that you repeat and clarify - and that is rigth and polite thing to do. That is what I was trying to do by repeating since your posts complete miss what I have been saying and misrepresent me grossly.
Really, I'm not trying to represent you at all. I'm sorry if this came across that way.
In general, I am trying to discuss subjects - the subject of a thread, especially if I started the thread - and not discuss people. Especially what someone thinks is wrong with someone else. To me, it really did feel like that was what had taken over the thread lately. And to me, that tends to really shut down discussion of whatever the topic was. And to me, that tends to raise the heat without bringing in more light.
Wade wrote:I was taught growing up that when someone misunderstands you to make sure that you repeat and clarify - and that is rigth and polite thing to do. That is what I was trying to do by repeating since your posts complete miss what I have been saying and misrepresent me grossly.
Really, I'm not trying to represent you at all. I'm sorry if this came across that way.
In general, I am trying to discuss subjects - the subject of a thread, especially if I started the thread - and not discuss people. Especially what someone thinks is wrong with someone else. To me, it really did feel like that was what had taken over the thread lately. And to me, that tends to really shut down discussion of whatever the topic was. And to me, that tends to raise the heat without bringing in more light.
It DOES seem like a hot summer's night on MN lately. Muggy, Miserable, Mind-numbing.
Polling data suggest that most African-Americans do not share Collins’s bleak view of their experiences. In a 2019 Pew survey, 44 percent of blacks reported being “unfairly stopped by police” because of their race; 54 percent said, “No, has not happened to me.” In a Monmouth poll taken after Floyd’s death, 44 percent of African-Americans reported that they or an immediate family member felt “harassed by police,” but a majority did not share this experience. When asked, “How satisfied are you with the job your local police department does,” 21 percent said “very satisfied,” 51 percent said somewhat satisfied, 12 percent said somewhat dissatisfied, and only 5 percent said that they were “very” dissatisfied. These results do not suggest a complete endorsement of contemporary policing, as many blacks report negative interactions. Yet nearly three-quarters of surveyed African-Americans report themselves satisfied with their local police departments.
Polling from New York City in the immediate aftermath of Eric Garner’s death in 2014 is telling. In response to an open-ended question asking them to name the “most important problem facing New York,” only 6 percent of all respondents in a Quinnipiac University survey of New York City voters listed police, and only 1 percent mentioned racism or race relations—far behind the economy, housing, crime, and education as issues of topmost concern. When asked if “being the victim of police brutality is something you personally worry about,” 53 percent of African-Americans said “no” and 46 percent said “yes.” Still, a clear majority of African-Americans (56 percent) described “police brutality” as a “very serious” problem. Another 34 percent called it “somewhat serious.” Among blacks, the approval rate for the New York City Police Department was low: only 35 percent approved while 59 percent disapproved. Yet, when asked about “the way the police in your community are doing their job,” 56 percent of African-Americans approved, and 41 percent disapproved.
Though nearly all blacks called the police actions that took Garner’s life inexcusable, they were split on the details of the encounter. The poll asked, “If someone were selling loose cigarettes in a neighborhood, would you want police to ignore that behavior or try to make that person stop, even if it means arresting that person?” Forty-six percent of black respondents said, “Try to stop,” and 46 percent said “ignore.” Another question asked, “If a person tells police they are not going to allow police to arrest them, should police walk away or use whatever amount of force is necessary to arrest the person”? Only 20 percent of black respondents said that police should “walk away.” Fifty-four percent said, “use necessary force.”
Wade wrote:There are troubling continued tactics deployed to silence people. Accuse them of name calling and misrepresent them. I gave evidence for JBG himself giving support to BLM which holds to Marxist ideals - warning someone that they are supporting Marxism is not calling them a Marxist.
To me, one of the main tactics used to silence people is to change the subject to the person and associate that person with scary labels like "racist" or "Marxist". Makes it hard to have conversations that are actually about subjects, approaching the conversation from various points of view. Witness this thread, remember what it was actually about?
Another tactic is to simply keep repeating what you said before as though the other person had said nothing at all instead of responding to what the person said.
I doubt these are actual tactics, I suspect it's not intentional, but this is what I am responding to.
I was taught growing up that when someone misunderstands you to make sure that you repeat and clarify - and that is rigth and polite thing to do. That is what I was trying to do by repeating since your posts complete miss what I have been saying and misrepresent me grossly.
But I need to let go of those teachings I grew up with and stop being a fool in inviting a beating by responding to you:
Proverbs 18:6 The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.
I'm done.
Amen, Wade. The obvious answer is in Scripture. Thank you for bringing in that light of Scriptural wisdom. Some just try to start straw-man arguments as attention seeking behavior and ego gratification. It’s still ridiculous.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.
