Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

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i can’t locate it, barnhart posted something like,
“Never interrupt someone doing what you said couldn’t be done.”
Amelia Earhart

There is a career politician/uniparty problem, many noticed it before i ever came along.
The founders TRIED to discourage it. Not to overlook the powerful lobbies driving it.

It’s only natural those threatened with big losses will resist with all their might. To their own and everyone’s detriment.

i have no doubt at all Putin witnesses all this and smacks his lips. :evil:

When Finland’s President Stubb described Team EU and Team US, i’m sure part of this was wishful thinking.
In the past, under duress, squabbling U.S. would cooperate with each other for the greater good.

i don’t see that anymore. i see the west and the left-west. i first saw it in a glaring way in my state of Illinois.

to me, the definition of partisan is when a so-called Republican governor signed off on everything Chicago Dems wanted,
BUT, that wasn’t enough. he was hounded by politicians+press out of office, replaced with the current horror.
partisan is when the D or R label is the ONLY thing that matters. not a good path. it showed “the rules” tho.

of course, the EU isn’t united paradise either.
leaders HOPE for enough cooperation to avoid civil wars. not a high bar, but better than none.
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i appreciate DOUGLAS MURRAY’S composure. He doesn’t mince words about PUTIN or anyone, he retains composure.
It reminds of MARCO RUBIO. A great U.S. Sec of State.

0:00 DC crackdown
2:45 Putin-Z peace talks
7:50 Harvard
11:30 UK Torries

Sky News Australia / ‘It’s clearly working’: Douglas Murray praises Trump’s DC crime crackdown / 15+min total


Douglas Murray bio
https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/6807165
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temporal1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 24, 2025 10:31 am i appreciate DOUGLAS MURRAY’S composure. He doesn’t mince words about PUTIN or anyone, he retains composure.
It reminds of MARCO RUBIO. A great U.S. Sec of State.
how does Mr MURRAY....who is gay AND has COMPOSURE...also a GREAT british Neocon........@# remind you of BROTHER Rubio.
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Southerner wrote: ↑Sun Aug 24, 2025 12:38 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 24, 2025 10:31 am i appreciate DOUGLAS MURRAY’S composure. He doesn’t mince words about PUTIN or anyone, he retains composure.
It reminds of MARCO RUBIO. A great U.S. Sec of State.
how does Mr MURRAY....who is gay AND has COMPOSURE...also a GREAT british Neocon........@# remind you of BROTHER Rubio.
i appreciated his words wrt the current “peace” talks. [5min.]
i thought everything he said might be appreciated by others in this topic. he was speaking from London.

i appreciate those who report in composed ways, there’s so much alarmism in reporting. too much for me.

i’ve noticed him around in news reports. never followed him.

your view?
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What is the logic behind sanctioning India for buying Russian oil, but not sanctioning Russia any further?
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Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:17 pm What is the logic behind sanctioning India for buying Russian oil, but not sanctioning Russia any further?
Could you tell us what sanctions you want to see on Russia? There isn't really anything left to do. America and Russia have almost no trade.

The only thing left to do is to start restricting trade with other countries (like India) that have lots of trade with Russia.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:42 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:17 pm What is the logic behind sanctioning India for buying Russian oil, but not sanctioning Russia any further?
Could you tell us what sanctions you want to see on Russia? There isn't really anything left to do. America and Russia have almost no trade.

The only thing left to do is to start restricting trade with other countries (like India) that have lots of trade with Russia.
I don't want to see sanctions. I'm trying to understand the logic.

Here are some sanctions that could yet be made. I'm wondering why the US is going after India instead of these things mentioned by news organizations.

-Blocking any remaining oil and gas exports from Russia.
-Banning American companies from providing petroleum services to Russia's energy sector.
-Freezing assets of additional Russian energy companies.
-Sanctioning more Russian shipping vessels and port operators involved in Russian exports.
-Tightening export controls to restrict technology sales, including advanced machinery and software.
-Freezing assets and blocking transactions of more Russian banks and financial institutions.
-Prohibiting Russian companies from trading on US securities markets.
-Enacting a near-total trade ban that would eliminate loopholes including transactions related to agricultural commodities, medicine, medical devices, and telecommunication services.

I'm not saying the US should do this. Just trying to understand the logic or the diplomatic strategy.
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Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:17 pm What is the logic behind sanctioning India for buying Russian oil, but not sanctioning Russia any further?
Because the Russian angle is just a pretext.

Trump is reportedly angry that India didn’t give him credit for mediating a truce with Pakistan. So is lashing out at India for personal reasons as he is wont to do. And using tariffs as a personal weapon just like he did with Brazil.
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Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 30, 2025 11:08 pm -Blocking any remaining oil and gas exports from Russia.
We already do that, although it doesn't do much good since oil is a global market, and other countries just go ahead and buy oil from Russia for a cheaper price.
-Banning American companies from providing petroleum services to Russia's energy sector.
American businesses can't do business with Russian ones at all.
-Freezing assets of additional Russian energy companies.
Assets of Russian conglomerates were already frozen, so there isn't really anything left that can be done.
-Sanctioning more Russian shipping vessels and port operators involved in Russian exports.
That was already done too.
-Tightening export controls to restrict technology sales, including advanced machinery and software.
That is also already done. You can't (for example) buy Windows or Adobe software in Russia. This has resulted in a thriving Russian black market that simply cracks the software and sells it domestically for pennies on the dollar, or it even becomes free. For example, you can get Adobe Creative Cloud for Windows for free, which normally costs $840 per year.
-Freezing assets and blocking transactions of more Russian banks and financial institutions.
That was done too except the U.S. doesn't control the entire banking system. Lots of other countries, like Brazil, don't want to sanction Russia
-Prohibiting Russian companies from trading on US securities markets.
That has also been done.
-Enacting a near-total trade ban that would eliminate loopholes including transactions related to agricultural commodities, medicine, medical devices, and telecommunication services.
That is partially done. Russia is a net agricultural exporter, and their big trading partners are countries like India and Brazil. India and Brazil have no plans to put sanctions on Russia and are instead doing brisk business with them.
I'm not saying the US should do this. Just trying to understand the logic or the diplomatic strategy.
Perhaps the logic to understand is Russia's diplomatic strategy: Russia's leadership is buddies with Brazil's, having been the one underwriting him back in the 1980s. The same goes with almost the entire continent of Africa, including its biggest economy, South Africa. Most of the world isn't interested in sanctioning Russia at all.

America would have to cut itself off from much of the rest of the world to do the things you suggest above - very high tariffs or no trade at all, cutting off the telephone network, cutting off Internet connections, no more global banking.
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