Yeah, I'm more optimistic than JM I guess. There is no more important single task in this decade or even century to date, than getting this done. There will no doubt be endless hiccups. But getting a vaccine out fast is going to consume this country, and no expense will be spared. Every state, county, town, and large medical institution will throw all they have at it, no expenses spared.
And just where are they going to get these highly trained people? Thin air? You think there are all these people sitting on their hands?
Also, it would be the state boards that decide who can and cannot inject. Both pharmacists and MDs are state regulated, not federal. And finding 10,000 people trained, passed their boards, and licensed in 3 months? No, I am not optimistic. I suspect that most of it will be mass vaccination by the local health department, community pharmacies just won’t cut it. The local CVS still does not have Covid testing on a regular basis. County health department does.
J.M.
I'm guessing my wife's regional network alone has hundreds of nurses who are qualified. Every Kaiser medical clinic has dozens of nurse medical assistants who routinely give injections. Multiply that by all the other regional health care networks and there are probably thousands of currently employed medical clinic staff who can give injections in this metro area alone. And that's without even getting into hospital staff. According to google, there's over 20,000 practicing RNs here in the greater Portland metro area. Am I missing something? I expect lots of bottle necks, but that's not one of them. We are talking about sticking people in the arm, not open heart surgery.
I don't expect local health departments to massively ramp up for this. I expect them to contract out most of the work to existing medical clinics (not pharmacies) who are equipped to handle the volume and already have the staff. The government is basically going to write a blank check to get it done.
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Ken wrote:
Yeah, I'm more optimistic than JM I guess. There is no more important single task in this decade or even century to date, than getting this done. There will no doubt be endless hiccups. But getting a vaccine out fast is going to consume this country, and no expense will be spared. Every state, county, town, and large medical institution will throw all they have at it, no expenses spared.
And just where are they going to get these highly trained people? Thin air? You think there are all these people sitting on their hands?
Also, it would be the state boards that decide who can and cannot inject. Both pharmacists and MDs are state regulated, not federal. And finding 10,000 people trained, passed their boards, and licensed in 3 months? No, I am not optimistic. I suspect that most of it will be mass vaccination by the local health department, community pharmacies just won’t cut it. The local CVS still does not have Covid testing on a regular basis. County health department does.
J.M.
I'm guessing my wife's regional network alone has hundreds of nurses who are qualified. Every Kaiser medical clinic has dozens of nurse medical assistants who routinely give injections. Multiply that by all the other regional health care networks and there are probably thousands of currently employed medical clinic staff who can give injections in this metro area alone. And that's without even getting into hospital staff. According to google, there's over 20,000 practicing RNs here in the greater Portland metro area. Am I missing something? I expect lots of bottle necks, but that's not one of them. We are talking about sticking people in the arm, not open heart surgery.
I don't expect local health departments to massively ramp up for this. I expect them to contract out most of the work to existing medical clinics (not pharmacies) who are equipped to handle the volume and already have the staff. The government is basically going to write a blank check to get it done.
Most, if not all of those nurses are fully engaged in the task for which they have been hired, and unless you are going to shut down everything else, in general they are not available.
And if you have ever injected anyone, it is way more than sticking people in the arm.
The local health department already has plans in place out here. I should know. Step on is calling back the retired nurses. They will need $$$$$ from someone.
Judas Maccabeus wrote:
And just where are they going to get these highly trained people? Thin air? You think there are all these people sitting on their hands?
Also, it would be the state boards that decide who can and cannot inject. Both pharmacists and MDs are state regulated, not federal. And finding 10,000 people trained, passed their boards, and licensed in 3 months? No, I am not optimistic. I suspect that most of it will be mass vaccination by the local health department, community pharmacies just won’t cut it. The local CVS still does not have Covid testing on a regular basis. County health department does.
J.M.
I'm guessing my wife's regional network alone has hundreds of nurses who are qualified. Every Kaiser medical clinic has dozens of nurse medical assistants who routinely give injections. Multiply that by all the other regional health care networks and there are probably thousands of currently employed medical clinic staff who can give injections in this metro area alone. And that's without even getting into hospital staff. According to google, there's over 20,000 practicing RNs here in the greater Portland metro area. Am I missing something? I expect lots of bottle necks, but that's not one of them. We are talking about sticking people in the arm, not open heart surgery.
I don't expect local health departments to massively ramp up for this. I expect them to contract out most of the work to existing medical clinics (not pharmacies) who are equipped to handle the volume and already have the staff. The government is basically going to write a blank check to get it done.
Most, if not all of those nurses are fully engaged in the task for which they have been hired, and unless you are going to shut down everything else, in general they are not available.
And if you have ever injected anyone, it is way more than sticking people in the arm.
The local health department already has plans in place out here. I should know. Step on is calling back the retired nurses. They will need $$$$$ from someone.
J.M.
J.M.
That's actually what I am expecting. An all-hands-on-deck initial push with big medical providers re-deploying medical staff into mass vaccination clinics, at least for the initial push. And then dialing back to more normal levels once the initial crush is past. There are actually a lot of nurses in my wife's system that are not doing all that much right now because the doctors are doing so much virtual care. As long as they are getting paid to run mass vaccination clinics, I expect the big providers to be involved.
I just took my daughter in for a flu shot and I'm assuming that the flu clinics are a dry run for Covid vaccine rollout. The Kaiser clinic had a sea of tents set up in the parking lot and what appeared to be capacity for tens of thousands per day with all the cones and barriers and tape they had set up for big lines, even though there was just a tiny trickle of people there the day I visited.
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Ken wrote:
I'm guessing my wife's regional network alone has hundreds of nurses who are qualified. Every Kaiser medical clinic has dozens of nurse medical assistants who routinely give injections. Multiply that by all the other regional health care networks and there are probably thousands of currently employed medical clinic staff who can give injections in this metro area alone. And that's without even getting into hospital staff. According to google, there's over 20,000 practicing RNs here in the greater Portland metro area. Am I missing something? I expect lots of bottle necks, but that's not one of them. We are talking about sticking people in the arm, not open heart surgery.
I don't expect local health departments to massively ramp up for this. I expect them to contract out most of the work to existing medical clinics (not pharmacies) who are equipped to handle the volume and already have the staff. The government is basically going to write a blank check to get it done.
Most, if not all of those nurses are fully engaged in the task for which they have been hired, and unless you are going to shut down everything else, in general they are not available.
And if you have ever injected anyone, it is way more than sticking people in the arm.
The local health department already has plans in place out here. I should know. Step on is calling back the retired nurses. They will need $$$$$ from someone.
J.M.
J.M.
That's actually what I am expecting. An all-hands-on-deck initial push with big medical providers re-deploying medical staff into mass vaccination clinics, at least for the initial push. And then dialing back to more normal levels. There are actually a lot of nurses in my wife's system that are not doing all that much right now because the doctors are doing so much virtual care. As long as they are getting paid to run mass vaccination clinics, I expect the big providers to be involved.
I just took my daughter in for a flu shot and I'm assuming that is a dry run. The Kaiser clinic had a sea of tents set up in the parking lot and what appeared to be capacity for tens of thousands per day with all the cones and barriers and tape they had set up for big lines, even though there was just a tiny trickle of people there the day I visited.
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Our local health department has been doing this for years. The providers, not so much, the pharmacies not at all. They are all well drilled. They even had a "80s" RV in their kit to serve as "offstage" area. They will just need lots of $$$$$$$.
Is that supposed to be a significant number? By that count, COVID related deaths would account for 1/4 of the number of total abortions in 2017? How is that number something to get riled up about?
Is that supposed to be a significant number? By that count, COVID related deaths would account for 1/4 of the number of total abortions in 2017? How is that number something to get riled up about?
How much higher would it need to be for you to think it significant?
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Is that supposed to be a significant number? By that count, COVID related deaths would account for 1/4 of the number of total abortions in 2017? How is that number something to get riled up about?
How much higher would it need to be for you to think it significant?
It seems he's pointing out that people aren't getting to upset about the killing of innocent lives, those outrageously high numbers- compared to a virus that is among the many causes of deaths that we face perhaps?
PeterG wrote:So every time something bad happens and people die, I'll compare the number of fatalities to the number of abortions to see if I should care or not.
