Who speaks for the black community?

[MaxPC]

Frankly, I find the topic of this thread ridiculous in the light of discipleship and the walk of faith. Jesus speaks for us all before God. My friends across all races think likewise. Creating a strawman based upon political fallacies does not help people to unify under Christ.

[joshuabgood]

Frankly, I find the topic of this thread ridiculous in the light of discipleship and the walk of faith. Jesus speaks for us all before God. My friends across all races think likewise. Creating a strawman based upon political fallacies does not help people to unify under Christ.

You should feel free not to participate.

[MaxPC]

Frankly, I find the topic of this thread ridiculous in the light of discipleship and the walk of faith. Jesus speaks for us all before God. My friends across all races think likewise. Creating a strawman based upon political fallacies does not help people to unify under Christ.

You should feel free not to participate.

And you should feel free to apologize and stop harassing the rest of the forum with your condescending commentaries. But then its not a perfect world is it?

[Grace]

But they don't have the authority to re-write the laws or change the tax and funding system for schools to make it more equitable. So we are at a standstill in many places.

Just a side note. Here in PA, public schools are largely funded by taxing property owners. And in south east PA, the highest taxes are in school districts with the highest amount of minorities. We can keep throwing more money to some of the poorer schools, but children are products of their homes. And if the homes are fatherless and dysfunctional, the children will bring that culture to their school and throwing more money at the system won't help the problems.

[ken_sylvania]

But they don't have the authority to re-write the laws or change the tax and funding system for schools to make it more equitable. So we are at a standstill in many places.

Just a side note. Here in PA, public schools are largely funded by taxing property owners. And in south east PA, the highest taxes are in school districts with the highest amount of minorities. We can keep throwing more money to some of the poorer schools, but children are products of their homes. And if the homes are fatherless and dysfunctional, the children will bring that culture to their school and throwing more money at the system won't help the problems.

In eastern PA, the Mennonites and Amish perhaps make that problem worse. They live mostly in areas with fewer minorities, they contribute to the schools, but many of them don't send their children to those schools, leaving more resources for their neighbor's children to receive a higher quality education without increasing taxes.

[joshuabgood]

Frankly, I find the topic of this thread ridiculous in the light of discipleship and the walk of faith. Jesus speaks for us all before God. My friends across all races think likewise. Creating a strawman based upon political fallacies does not help people to unify under Christ.

You should feel free not to participate.

And you should feel free to apologize and stop harassing the rest of the forum with your condescending commentaries. But then its not a perfect world is it?

It is odd...that if you feel a thread is "ridiculous" that you participate. And no...the people across the races don't see it the way you see it. The fact is, that white people love to send around clips of Candace Owens, or other black people that say what they (the white people) think, while in fact there are often black people right in our circles that we don't bother asking that would speak more authentically for the black community. Why don't we ask them...perhaps because we don't like what they will say.

Last night, Daniel Pollard made this very point with exasperation in his voice (which I understand) at times. People, including CA's want to go to Candace Owens (or other black people that say what they really think), meanwhile he, Daniel Pollard, has been right here in the CA community for years and very few people bothered asking him about systemic racism in society or in the CA world. He and his wife pled for the white CA church to wake up.

So yes...this is a very legitimate thread. But if you don't think so, then kindly move on along, rather than demeaning it with terms like ridiculous. And then to point the finger this direction with a "condescension" accusation after you termed someone's thread "ridiculous" really leaves one scratching their head.

My suggestion is go ahead and watch the FB link I posted.

[Ken]

But they don't have the authority to re-write the laws or change the tax and funding system for schools to make it more equitable. So we are at a standstill in many places.

Just a side note. Here in PA, public schools are largely funded by taxing property owners. And in south east PA, the highest taxes are in school districts with the highest amount of minorities. We can keep throwing more money to some of the poorer schools, but children are products of their homes. And if the homes are fatherless and dysfunctional, the children will bring that culture to their school and throwing more money at the system won't help the problems.

In eastern PA, the Mennonites and Amish perhaps make that problem worse. They live mostly in areas with fewer minorities, they contribute to the schools, but many of them don't send their children to those schools, leaving more resources for their neighbor's children to receive a higher quality education without increasing taxes.

And you can't always just do a simple per-child cost calculation and decide that money is being distributed equally. Many schools in older urban areas like Philly have long ago since reached their useful life span and are crumbling. Some were built many generations ago and have undergone decades of deferred maintenance and such with obsolete systems or even no systems like AC because HVAC ductwork was never installed. Compared to much newer schools in suburban areas that require far less investment to bring up to standard or keep modern.

Are the the science labs in inner-city Philly high schools as nice as those in the wealthy suburbs? Do they have the same computer labs and libraries? The same music facilities and athletic facilities? The same internet access in all classrooms? The same instructional technologies, projectors, smartboards, etc. etc? I don't know the answer as I haven't personally visited any inner city or suburban schools in PA. But if it is anything like TX or anyplace else I have ever lived then I can make an educated guess.

It's not about the dollars spent per child. It's about whether all children are getting the same quality education.

If we based everything on a per-capita cost then rural areas would get no electrical service, no phone service, no cell phone service, no postal service, no highway maintenance, and so forth. Because the per-capita costs to provide all of those services to rural areas is much greater than in an urban area.

And I'm not saying there isn't spending waste and abuse in urban school systems. Obviously there is. There is waste and abuse and unnecessary pork barrel spending happening everywhere. The point is that in most poor urban areas of this country where the schools are largely minority, the students are not getting an equal education to their wealthier white suburban counterparts. That isn't even disputed.

[Ken]

You should feel free not to participate.

And you should feel free to apologize and stop harassing the rest of the forum with your condescending commentaries. But then its not a perfect world is it?

It is odd...that if you feel a thread is "ridiculous" that you participate. And no...the people across the races don't see it the way you see it. The fact is, that white people love to send around clips of Candace Owens, or other black people that say what they (the white people think), while in fact there are often black people right in our circles that we don't bother asking that would speak more authentically for the black community.

Last night, Daniel Pollard made this very point with exasperation in his voice (which I understand) at times. People, including CA's want to go to Candace Owens (or other black people that say what they really think), meanwhile he, Daniel Pollard, has been right here in the CA community for years and very few people bothered asking him about systemic racism in society or in the CA world. He and his wife pled for the white CA church to wake up.

So yes...this is a very legitimate thread. But if you don't think so, then kindly move on along, rather than demeaning it with terms like ridiculous. And then to point the finger this direction with a "condescension" accusation after you termed someone's thread "ridiculous" really leaves one scratching their head.

My suggestion is go ahead and watch the FB link I posted.

Josh: You are white (I assume) and have some sort of Mennonite affiliation. Why don't we appoint YOU to speak for the entire white Christian community in this country. Since you are white you are authorized to "speak for the white community" to echo the title of this thread. No need to listen to diverse voices within the CA community, or the wider Menno community, or the even wider Christian community, or the even wider "white" community. If you tell me what i want to hear and echo my own pre-conceived ideas about the "white community" then I'm happy.

After all, I think YOUR voice is at least as representative of the CA community as Candace Owens is of the "black community". In fact, probably more so. I'm pretty certain your points of view are more widely shared in the white Menno community than Candace Owen's views are shared in the wider black community.

We can even be done with this forum since you can just speak for all of us. No need for any additional discussion or debate between diverse viewpoints. No need for an Anabaptist theology forum and a current events forum and a general theology form. You are white, you can speak for all of us.

Wow, that was easy.

[joshuabgood]

And you should feel free to apologize and stop harassing the rest of the forum with your condescending commentaries. But then its not a perfect world is it?

It is odd...that if you feel a thread is "ridiculous" that you participate. And no...the people across the races don't see it the way you see it. The fact is, that white people love to send around clips of Candace Owens, or other black people that say what they (the white people think), while in fact there are often black people right in our circles that we don't bother asking that would speak more authentically for the black community.

Last night, Daniel Pollard made this very point with exasperation in his voice (which I understand) at times. People, including CA's want to go to Candace Owens (or other black people that say what they really think), meanwhile he, Daniel Pollard, has been right here in the CA community for years and very few people bothered asking him about systemic racism in society or in the CA world. He and his wife pled for the white CA church to wake up.

So yes...this is a very legitimate thread. But if you don't think so, then kindly move on along, rather than demeaning it with terms like ridiculous. And then to point the finger this direction with a "condescension" accusation after you termed someone's thread "ridiculous" really leaves one scratching their head.

My suggestion is go ahead and watch the FB link I posted.

Josh: You are white (I assume) and have some sort of Mennonite affiliation. Why don't we appoint YOU to speak for the entire white Christian community in this country. Since you are white you are authorized to "speak for the white community" to echo the title of this thread. No need to listen to diverse voices within the CA community, or the wider Menno community, or the even wider Christian community, or the even wider "white" community. If you tell me what i want to hear and echo my own pre-conceived ideas about the "white community" then I'm happy.

After all, I think YOUR voice is at least as representative of the CA community as Candace Owens is of the "black community". In fact, probably more so. I'm pretty certain your points of view are more widely shared in the white Menno community than Candace Owen's views are shared in the wider black community.

We can even be done with this forum since you can just speak for all of us. No need for any additional discussion or debate between diverse viewpoints. No need for an Anabaptist theology forum and a current events forum and a general theology form. You are white, you can speak for all of us.

Wow, that was easy.

Not sure I am quite following...should I be feeling defensive?

[Ken]

It is odd...that if you feel a thread is "ridiculous" that you participate. And no...the people across the races don't see it the way you see it. The fact is, that white people love to send around clips of Candace Owens, or other black people that say what they (the white people think), while in fact there are often black people right in our circles that we don't bother asking that would speak more authentically for the black community.

Last night, Daniel Pollard made this very point with exasperation in his voice (which I understand) at times. People, including CA's want to go to Candace Owens (or other black people that say what they really think), meanwhile he, Daniel Pollard, has been right here in the CA community for years and very few people bothered asking him about systemic racism in society or in the CA world. He and his wife pled for the white CA church to wake up.

So yes...this is a very legitimate thread. But if you don't think so, then kindly move on along, rather than demeaning it with terms like ridiculous. And then to point the finger this direction with a "condescension" accusation after you termed someone's thread "ridiculous" really leaves one scratching their head.

My suggestion is go ahead and watch the FB link I posted.

Josh: You are white (I assume) and have some sort of Mennonite affiliation. Why don't we appoint YOU to speak for the entire white Christian community in this country. Since you are white you are authorized to "speak for the white community" to echo the title of this thread. No need to listen to diverse voices within the CA community, or the wider Menno community, or the even wider Christian community, or the even wider "white" community. If you tell me what i want to hear and echo my own pre-conceived ideas about the "white community" then I'm happy.

After all, I think YOUR voice is at least as representative of the CA community as Candace Owens is of the "black community". In fact, probably more so. I'm pretty certain your points of view are more widely shared in the white Menno community than Candace Owen's views are shared in the wider black community.

We can even be done with this forum since you can just speak for all of us. No need for any additional discussion or debate between diverse viewpoints. No need for an Anabaptist theology forum and a current events forum and a general theology form. You are white, you can speak for all of us.

Wow, that was easy.

Not sure I am quite following...should I be feeling defensive?

I was making the point that you (or anyone of us) are no more able to "speak for the white community" than an outlier like Candace Owens is able to "speak for the black community"

If we acknowledge that their are diverse voices in the white community then we should similarly acknowledge that there are diverse voices in the black community and not restrict ourselves to just listening to those who tell us what we want to hear.

Honestly, this entire thread is a little bit misguided. Would we have a similar thread titled "Who speaks for the Menno community?" or would we acknowledge up front that the entire notion of someone speaking for the entire Menno community is ridiculous. Unless maybe it is Donald Kraybill