George Floyd

[joshuabgood]

The thing is, Josh, I don’t work to remedy injustice against black people. I work for what Jesus told us to do without regard to skin colour.

You seem to find that somehow offensive or racist on my part.

Would you mind, so I don't do it again, letting me know what I wrote that made you feel like I was calling you racist over and over again? Thanks...

[temporal1]

Do you have a response to the OP? (i took a stab with Tony Timpa.)

Black people are clearly not the only victims of police brutality. The things people are asking for would help white suspects too.

Then why the “need” for divisive language that inspires burning cities? The political bloc thing is bad. i can easily imagine MLK JR saying, “All Lives Matter,” and being remembered for it. i cannot imagine him taking up with BLM, Antifa, etc.

even if he did, i believe organized political blocs have inherent problems, esp of potential corruption, abuse and bullying of others, etc. so, even if a bloc BEGINS on high ground, it’s unlikely to remain there. follow Jesus.

look. possibly due to MLK, JR, organized blocs have become “a thing.”
universities now offer classes on it, political activism, etc., there are careers, some become rich and powerful. where is MLK JR? Jesus? .. well, they are used, when convenient, for the narrative.

[Grace]

I'm not sure what keeps people from being receptive to listening to the rage and feeling that our black brethren may have something to tell us here. I suspect a lot of that may be political identification.

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That rage has turned into more lives lost, like David Dorn and quite a few others. It has lead to businesses and lives ruined, because of looting, burning, and other miscreant behavior. Christian and non-Christians alike, will not listen or be receptive when that rage turns to violence. Is it political identification that glosses over the rage, that resulted in death and violence?

[Dan Z]

Christian and non-Christians alike, will not listen or be receptive when that rage turns to violence.

That makes sense...

But do you think that Christians and non-Christians alike should listen to those demonstrating non-violently? Or to the vast majority of non-protesting black folks in America who feel unfairly treated by American society?

[Robert]

Answering for myself, not Grace.

But do you think that Christians and non-Christians alike should listen to those demonstrating non-violently?

Absolutely. I also think they should listen to us.

Or to the vast majority of non-protesting black folks in America who feel unfairly treated by American society?

Absolutely, but when we have facts that suggest this is a feeling and not reality, it is okay to present reality. It should be done so in a respectful way, but there is nothing wrong with showing those upset that there may be more than what they are perceiving.

[RZehr]

What do you mean by listen?

[Grace]

Christian and non-Christians alike, will not listen or be receptive when that rage turns to violence.

That makes sense...

But do you think that Christians and non-Christians alike should listen to those demonstrating non-violently? Or to the vast majority of non-protesting black folks in America who feel unfairly treated by American society?

Martin Luther King set an excellent example how to demonstrate non-violently. And yes, when done peacefully people should listen.

https://thekingcenter.org/king-philosophy/

[barnhart]

If I could add one point to JBG's post,
8. The prophets confessed national sins without excepting themselves or worrying about personal culpability. Corporate confession and repentance have fallen into disfavor because they cut against other american values like individualism and personal responsibility, but I think the church should bring them back.

[Ambassador]

If I could add one point to JBG's post,
8. The prophets confessed national sins without excepting themselves or worrying about personal culpability. Corporate confession and repentance have fallen into disfavor because they cut against other american values like individualism and personal responsibility, but I think the church should bring them back.

On this point, I agree, with this clarification. We should not except ourselves if we are confessing sins of the church. However, I wouldn't include myself in the nation's sins. I am part of another kingdom. The prophets didn't exclude themselves from the sins of their people, the children of Israel. We should not exclude ourselves from the sins of our people, the redeemed family of God.

[Dan Z]

What do you mean by listen?

I didn't use the term originally (was responding to its use elsewhere), but when I say "listen" in this context, I mean to hear at the heart level, to empathize, to consider thoughtfully.