Amish Covid | Full Measure

[ohio jones]

Out of all of the Christian sects, the Amish are the closest ones to creating a working Christian community, separate from the world. They avoid the insurance system, banking, doctors, vaccines, and many of the snares of this world.

Maybe that's the case in your area. Where I'm from, the Amish are some of the banks' most valuable customers. They reject insurance, but not medical doctors or vaccines (though they may be a bit more selective in their use than the general population).

[Ernie]

But is there any evidence that meeting for church has been killing people?

Yes, an Amish bishop near me who wanted to take more precautions but yielded to the advice of his brothers and went ahead with communion. Some folks brought Covid to church and most everyone got infected. (just like the Amish-Mennonite said in the OP video.) The bishop died.

Plain News has published the obituaries of quite a number of other people who contracted Covid in a similar manner.

[Josh]

But is there any evidence that meeting for church has been killing people?

Yes, an Amish bishop near me who wanted to take more precautions but yielded to the advice of his brothers and went ahead with communion. Some folks brought Covid to church and most everyone got infected. (just like the Amish-Mennonite said in the OP video.) The bishop died.

Plain News has published the obituaries of quite a number of other people who contracted Covid in a similar manner.

So, if we quit having church and communion, lives would be saved?

This seems a somewhat absurd position to take. And I think abandoning traditional Anabaptist practices like foot washing, the greeting, the common communion cup, regular Sunday meetings, and communion at least once a year is rather foolish. If you’re willing to quit doing all those things, you might as well quit being Anabaptist altogether and just tune in to the Facebook Live video stream of the mega church of your choice.

People are going to get diseases and die - 100% of us. The question is why there is so much fear of maybe possibly getting disease from church, which I still consider a vanishingly small risk. Most people don’t get covid from a once-every-two weeks meeting, let alone two-times-a-year communion Five times a day work seems a lot more likely to me.

[Soloist]

But is there any evidence that meeting for church has been killing people?

Yes, an Amish bishop near me who wanted to take more precautions but yielded to the advice of his brothers and went ahead with communion. Some folks brought Covid to church and most everyone got infected. (just like the Amish-Mennonite said in the OP video.) The bishop died.

Plain News has published the obituaries of quite a number of other people who contracted Covid in a similar manner.

So, if we quit having church and communion, lives would be saved?

This seems a somewhat absurd position to take. And I think abandoning traditional Anabaptist practices like foot washing, the greeting, the common communion cup, regular Sunday meetings, and communion at least once a year is rather foolish. If you’re willing to quit doing all those things, you might as well quit being Anabaptist altogether and just tune in to the Facebook Live video stream of the mega church of your choice.

People are going to get diseases and die - 100% of us. The question is why there is so much fear of maybe possibly getting disease from church, which I still consider a vanishingly small risk. Most people don’t get covid from a once-every-two weeks meeting, let alone two-times-a-year communion Five times a day work seems a lot more likely to me.

I can get behind that! lets stop working!!

[JohnHurt]

But is there any evidence that meeting for church has been killing people?

Yes, an Amish bishop near me who wanted to take more precautions but yielded to the advice of his brothers and went ahead with communion. Some folks brought Covid to church and most everyone got infected. (just like the Amish-Mennonite said in the OP video.) The bishop died.

Plain News has published the obituaries of quite a number of other people who contracted Covid in a similar manner.

So, if we quit having church and communion, lives would be saved?

This seems a somewhat absurd position to take. And I think abandoning traditional Anabaptist practices like foot washing, the greeting, the common communion cup, regular Sunday meetings, and communion at least once a year is rather foolish. If you’re willing to quit doing all those things, you might as well quit being Anabaptist altogether and just tune in to the Facebook Live video stream of the mega church of your choice.

People are going to get diseases and die - 100% of us. The question is why there is so much fear of maybe possibly getting disease from church, which I still consider a vanishingly small risk. Most people don’t get covid from a once-every-two weeks meeting, let alone two-times-a-year communion Five times a day work seems a lot more likely to me.

I would have to agree with you, Josh.

The saying is, "Pneumonia is an old man's friend". That is, the flu kills old people every year, or those with serious health problems.

Should we really be afraid to die when we are old? Or is it a homecoming? And if you die from going to church, what does God think about that?

Also remember that COVID has a 99.97% survival rate. If you are healthy, you have nothing to worry about.

The Amish are much healthier than the rest of us, as they use herbal medicines. Colin Powell was fully vaccinated, with all of the modern medical science, and died from COVID. The vaccines do not work, they just weaken your immune system. Only a healthy immune system can defeat a virus.

And yes, you need to worry about getting COVID at work 5 times a week, more than getting it once a week at church. They want to close the churches, but they leave your workplace and the liquor stores open. It is not about COVID, it is a war between good and evil, it is about control.

[mike]

Colin Powell was fully vaccinated, with all of the modern medical science, and died from COVID.

He had been treated for multiple myeloma and was dealing with Parkinson's disease. Blood cancers can decrease the effectiveness of the vaccines. I think you're right in saying that a healthy immune system is what you need to fight off a virus, and Mr. Powell likely did not have one.

[Ernie]

But is there any evidence that meeting for church has been killing people?

Yes, an Amish bishop near me who wanted to take more precautions but yielded to the advice of his brothers and went ahead with communion. Some folks brought Covid to church and most everyone got infected. (just like the Amish-Mennonite said in the OP video.) The bishop died.

Plain News has published the obituaries of quite a number of other people who contracted Covid in a similar manner.

So, if we quit having church and communion, lives would be saved?

This seems a somewhat absurd position to take. And I think abandoning traditional Anabaptist practices like foot washing, the greeting, the common communion cup, regular Sunday meetings, and communion at least once a year is rather foolish. If you’re willing to quit doing all those things, you might as well quit being Anabaptist altogether and just tune in to the Facebook Live video stream of the mega church of your choice.

People are going to get diseases and die - 100% of us. The question is why there is so much fear of maybe possibly getting disease from church, which I still consider a vanishingly small risk. Most people don’t get covid from a once-every-two weeks meeting, let alone two-times-a-year communion Five times a day work seems a lot more likely to me.

I've said this before, but it seems to have been forgotten. So I will say it again for the record.
I believe it is possible for Christians to continue assembling with other believers in-person, and even practice the holy kiss, while mitigating the spread of Covid.

[Josh]

Yes, an Amish bishop near me who wanted to take more precautions but yielded to the advice of his brothers and went ahead with communion. Some folks brought Covid to church and most everyone got infected. (just like the Amish-Mennonite said in the OP video.) The bishop died.

Plain News has published the obituaries of quite a number of other people who contracted Covid in a similar manner.

So, if we quit having church and communion, lives would be saved?

This seems a somewhat absurd position to take. And I think abandoning traditional Anabaptist practices like foot washing, the greeting, the common communion cup, regular Sunday meetings, and communion at least once a year is rather foolish. If you’re willing to quit doing all those things, you might as well quit being Anabaptist altogether and just tune in to the Facebook Live video stream of the mega church of your choice.

People are going to get diseases and die - 100% of us. The question is why there is so much fear of maybe possibly getting disease from church, which I still consider a vanishingly small risk. Most people don’t get covid from a once-every-two weeks meeting, let alone two-times-a-year communion Five times a day work seems a lot more likely to me.

I've said this before, but it seems to have been forgotten. So I will say it again for the record.
I believe it is possible for Christians to continue assembling with other believers in-person, and even practice the holy kiss, while mitigating the spread of Covid.

But what is the agreed upon set of “mitigation measures”? For example, 6 foot social distancing is pointless (there’s plenty of science to back up my statement, too).

Things like hand sanitiser and wiping down surfaces are no longer CDC recommended. The official mitigation measures are to not really meet at all and avoid any physical contact. That’s not acceptable for a family, or a church family.

[Ken]

So, if we quit having church and communion, lives would be saved?

This seems a somewhat absurd position to take. And I think abandoning traditional Anabaptist practices like foot washing, the greeting, the common communion cup, regular Sunday meetings, and communion at least once a year is rather foolish. If you’re willing to quit doing all those things, you might as well quit being Anabaptist altogether and just tune in to the Facebook Live video stream of the mega church of your choice.

People are going to get diseases and die - 100% of us. The question is why there is so much fear of maybe possibly getting disease from church, which I still consider a vanishingly small risk. Most people don’t get covid from a once-every-two weeks meeting, let alone two-times-a-year communion Five times a day work seems a lot more likely to me.

I've said this before, but it seems to have been forgotten. So I will say it again for the record.
I believe it is possible for Christians to continue assembling with other believers in-person, and even practice the holy kiss, while mitigating the spread of Covid.

But what is the agreed upon set of “mitigation measures”? For example, 6 foot social distancing is pointless (there’s plenty of science to back up my statement, too).

Things like hand sanitiser and wiping down surfaces are no longer CDC recommended. The official mitigation measures are to not really meet at all and avoid any physical contact. That’s not acceptable for a family, or a church family.

You are a smart guy Josh, and there is a tremendous amount of world-wide research and experience from the past 20 months or so of pandemic. I'm sure if your church is going to ignore your local health authority's "one-size-fits-all" recommendations then you can come up with your own reasonable measures to hold church safely. It isn't really that complicated or mysterious. Take the initiative and own the problem rather than endlessly hand-wringing or kvetching about whether hand sanitizer or masks or whatever is effective or not.

[Josh]

I was asking Ernie what his opinion is.

We’ve had church as usual for about a year. Nobody has died of covid, either.