"We all quit"

[Szdfan]

It really strikes me as strange that a high level employee like a sales manager is not expected to submit more than a 2 week notice, like basic level employees as in fast-food service.

Many jobs, especially blue collar and food service jobs, are “at will” employment, which means that employees can quit and employers can fire at any moment. The two week’s notice is a courtesy, not a legal requirement.

Also, manager of a fast food restaurant is not really a “high level” position.

[Neto]

It really strikes me as strange that a high level employee like a sales manager is not expected to submit more than a 2 week notice, like basic level employees as in fast-food service.

Many jobs, especially blue collar and food service jobs, are “at will” employment, which means that employees can quit and employers can fire at any moment. The two week’s notice is a courtesy, not a legal requirement.

Also, manager of a fast food restaurant is not really a “high level” position.

I didn't mean 'required', I meant 'expected', as in "a common expectation or practice".
And by referring to a "sales manager", I was thinking about an actual case I was acquainted with first hand, at an entirely different industry (a manufacturing business). (I wouldn't think of a manager at a fast-food place as a "sales manager", I guess.)

[Szdfan]

I didn't mean 'required', I meant 'expected', as in "a common expectation or practice".

The cynical part of me thinks that most employers are not going to give you two weeks notice before firing you.

[temporal1]

It really strikes me as strange that a high level employee like a sales manager is not expected to submit more than a 2 week notice, like basic level employees as in fast-food service.

Many jobs, especially blue collar and food service jobs, are “at will” employment, which means that employees can quit and employers can fire at any moment. The two week’s notice is a courtesy, not a legal requirement.

Also, manager of a fast food restaurant is not really a “high level” position.

I didn't mean 'required', I meant 'expected', as in "a common expectation or practice".
And by referring to a "sales manager", I was thinking about an actual case I was acquainted with first hand, at an entirely different industry (a manufacturing business). (I wouldn't think of a manager at a fast-food place as a "sales manager", I guess.)

Neto:
.. quitting w/o the customary 2-week notice not so much.” ..

This is probably a good example of how “moral,” and “customary,” certainly, Christian, are replaced with simply, “what’s legal?”
WJ Clinton opened the floodgates on it. Depravity is not a good trend.

In the past, the minimum 2 week notice was understood to be best for the employer and employee. Getting a good reference for future work was important. Not legally required! But important, just the same.

In my life experience, i’ve known more than one well-employed professional who learned they’d been fired at the moment office security approached them, then escorted them to the exit door, keys and passwords changed, etc. It can be a JOLT. One had been a bank VP, on the job for 20+ years.

Bad days happen.

Jesus never suggested organizing mobs to gain power. Not in the workplace or in government.
Scriptures address responsibilities of those in power/leadership, as well as those employed, dependent, even of slave status.
Abuse is not The Way.

(i haven’t chosen an option, because of not being able to read the OP link.) i would probably prefer an added option. not sure.

[mike]

I didn't mean 'required', I meant 'expected', as in "a common expectation or practice".

The cynical part of me thinks that most employers are not going to give you two weeks notice before firing you.

Of course not. If a persons actions merit firing them, I typically don’t want them even finishing the day out let alone having them there another two weeks. Things like theft or sexual harassment or wrongdoing for instance. That isn’t to say I fire them the minute I learn of the misbehavior. But once I know the facts and have the documentation ready and notify the employee, there is generally no reason to allow them to stay beyond that point.

[Szdfan]

I didn't mean 'required', I meant 'expected', as in "a common expectation or practice".

The cynical part of me thinks that most employers are not going to give you two weeks notice before firing you.

Of course not. If a persons actions merit firing them, I typically don’t want them even finishing the day out let alone having them there another two weeks. Things like theft or sexual harassment or wrongdoing for instance. That isn’t to say I fire them the minute I learn of the misbehavior. But once I know the facts and have the documentation ready and notify the employee, there is generally no reason to allow them to stay beyond that point.

Of course. In the case of misconduct, I completely support removing the employee as quickly as possible. I guess I’m reacting to a sense that employees have an obligation to employers that employers might not have towards employees. Not all firings are because of misconduct.

[temporal1]

Disgruntled employees happen. They can cause turmoil, sabotage, sometimes becoming violent. Sad but true.

[KrisKramer]

I didn't mean 'required', I meant 'expected', as in "a common expectation or practice".

The cynical part of me thinks that most employers are not going to give you two weeks notice before firing you.

Yeah, you don't get a 2 week notice on being fired. They just want you to.give a 2 week notice if you are leaving.

[steve-in-kville]

I have only worked three full-time jobs in my life. I gave a two week notice when quitting, except once, it was in construction and 9/11 was a few months behind us and the work just disappeared. They were going to let a few people go and I volunteered to go at the end of the week. It was a mutual agreement.

[Neto]

I once left a job because a doctor's visit resulted in surgery, and so we had a mutual agreement that I would terminate employment there, because they already knew that i would be leaving to go back to grad school before the doctor would approve me for heavy lifting again.

Another time (some years before the above) I tried to give the keys back to my boss, over a complaint of his cussing me out all of the time. I was going to quit on the spot, because I'd had enough of it, and in this case, it was simply the way he was - he would forget to give full instructions, then cuss up a storm when I did it "wrong". He told me that he "wasn't cussing at me, but at what I did". He finally agreed to stop, and I agreed to stay. He also asked me to come back the next summer (between college years), but I wanted to live back home in Oklahoma that summer, so didn't accept the job again.

I was also "fired" once - it was devastating, because of the way it was done. I had been injured on the job, and reported back (in person) regularly during my surgery, treatment, and recuperation period. When the doctor gave me the all clear to return to heavy lifting, I went in again to tell them. They then told me that I no longer had a job there. They didn't tell me why, but I know that another employee had gotten angry with another guy & I and made a false accusation against us. I suspected that a second employee (with whom I had worked closely for my entire time there) may also have given a bad report because the other guy that had been accused with me & I had more in common, and he may have been jealous. (He was not well-liked by many of the others, but we had a pretty good working relationship. In fact, the boss' wife had told me when I took that job that "If I could get along with him I'd be the first." I do admit that I was sometimes evasive in answering his questions when I sensed that if I answered completely he would become angry. The cause of a lot of this was that I was put in as "quality control" on his work, when he had been there already for some years when I was hired.) My main fault in this case was that I do not know how to handle conflict well, so I avoid it as much as possible. This can create new problems. If I have an opportunity to compose a response (in writing) I do better, but in verbal situations I don't do well, and become emotional (like starting to cry, which doesn't feel good as a man).