RZehr wrote:
I don’t see that one yet to be determined as human caused. And human caused is not the same as intentionally human caused, and intentionally human caused is not the same as antifa causing trouble.
True but I know that area and there are really only two explainable possibilities. One, human started, two a spark flew several miles. Given the wind... I'd go with number 1. Also they know its suspicious.
Secondly, I've never labeled any fire as antifa caused.
Easily might have been human caused if the wind didn’t make sense.
I heard in the California fires this month, with bad winds and huge fires, there have been embers and more fires lit, five miles downwind. But hey, maybe I’m just wrongly believing this and there is no scientific way sparks can go that far.
RZehr wrote:
Easily might have been human caused if the wind didn’t make sense.
I heard in the California fires this month, with bad winds and huge fires, there have been embers and more fires lit, five miles downwind. But hey, maybe I’m just wrongly believing this and there is no scientific way sparks can go that far.
Well... ever since the windstorm died down, the winds have been pretty light. I would hazard a guess there are some fancy calculations to determine fire spread potential... 5 miles seems crazy but not impossible with the right wind...
RZehr wrote:
I don’t see that one yet to be determined as human caused. And human caused is not the same as intentionally human caused, and intentionally human caused is not the same as antifa causing trouble.
True but I know that area and there are really only two explainable possibilities. One, human started, two a spark flew several miles. Given the wind... I'd go with number 1. Also they know its suspicious.
Secondly, I've never labeled any fire as antifa caused.
Easily might have been human caused if the wind didn’t make sense.
I heard in the California fires this month, with bad winds and huge fires, there have been embers and more fires lit, five miles downwind. But hey, maybe I’m just wrongly believing this and there is no scientific way sparks can go that far.
A couple of years ago when the Oregon side of the Columbia River gorge was on fire there were embers blowing across the Columbia and starting fires on the Washington side. That is a distance of perhaps 5 miles from the mountain slopes on one side of the gorge to the mountain slopes on the other side. This is common in these big wildfires. The biggest and most devastating fire in this part of the world prior to this week was the Yacolt Burn which dropped 1/2" of ash across the city of Portland. It started on the OR side and lept across the Columbia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacolt_Burn
In the recent CA and Australia fires they are also seeing a new phenomenon which is fire-driven thunderstorms. Convection winds from the fire creates its own thunderstorms which produce more lightning in advance of the fire itself. In other words, the fire creates its own lightning. Also they are seeing fire tornados racing in front of the main front of the fire.
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Ken wrote:
A couple of years ago when the Oregon side of the Columbia River gorge was on fire there were embers blowing across the Columbia and starting fires on the Washington side. That is a distance of perhaps 5 miles from the mountain slopes on one side of the gorge to the mountain slopes on the other side. This is common in these big wildfires. The biggest and most devastating fire in this part of the world prior to this week was the Yacolt Burn which dropped 1/2" of ash across the city of Portland. It started on the OR side and lept across the Columbia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacolt_Burn
In the recent CA and Australia fires they are also seeing a new phenomenon which is fire-driven thunderstorms. Convection winds from the fire creates its own thunderstorms which produce more lightning in advance of the fire itself. In other words, the fire creates its own lightning. Also they are seeing fire tornados racing in front of the main front of the fire.
Sure its possible. But I know people who live within a few miles of the spot and I'm not that far away. This didn't happen.
As for the fire-driven storms... thats been known for a long time as well as the tornado's. Takes particular atmo conditions for one.
If this was the cause, the fire fighters would have not said it was suspicious. They know the conditions far better then you or I.
Could the Oregon fires be split into a separate thread? I would like to monitor this and also hear what you people in Oregon have to say about your own experiences.
Bootstrap wrote:Could the Oregon fires be split into a separate thread? I would like to monitor this and also hear what you people in Oregon have to say about your own experiences.
This is something I have started praying about.
There are fires all along the west coast from the Canadian to the Mexican border. Here in the Portland area we awoke today to unseasonal 50 degree thick fog and still air. Which should help prevent the spread of fires greatly. but the air quality is still at hazardous levels. Right now the AQI in the Portland area 367 which is almost off the charts bad. But it is even worse further south in the Willamette valley in Salem, Eugene, and Albany. Walking the dog I have discovered that the disposable paper masks from Costco seem to do a better job of filtering out the smoke than the cloth reusable masks. I don't know if that means anything for Covid. The particle sizes are different.
Last Monday we had such strong winds in the middle of 90+ degree heat that there were 2' diameter trees getting snapped off at the truck in the forest behind my house. There were broken trees all around the area. In the winter when we have windstorms with soft wet soil they normally tip over roots and all. In the summer when the soil is rock hard the trees snap off 10-15' up from the ground. That unusual combination of windstorm and high heat was why the fires around here exploded so exponentially everywhere.
Forecasts are for winds to shift out of the west by Sunday evening and bring rain on Monday and Tuesday which should push the fires back on themselves and greatly help in their containment. But the state says we will likely have these fires continue to burn and smolder for a month or so until the snows finally come.
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Is the smoke so bad that they have closed airports? If so, I have an idea of how bad it is there for you. This sometimes happened in Brazil during the burning season (especially for pilots only licensed for visual), which is more or less now, depending on the particular year, and where in Brazil you are. When we WERE allowed to fly (Cessna 206) it was a great relief to get up above the smoke, because it was the only time you weren't breathing it, often times for months at a time. It wasn't so bad in the village, as they are really isolated, and so just a small population in a vast area of virgin jungle.
(By the way, I have a brother who lives in Portland.)
