Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

[temporal1]

P.298:

P.296: Who has enabled Ukraine, who planned it, what promises have been made?

“Biden admin announces another $125M in military assistance for Ukraine as fighting intensifies on Russian soil”
“Ukrainian forces have brought the war to Russian soil amid a fierce offensive”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- ... ssian-soil

I think there would be more sympathy for Russia if they weren't 900 days into a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, fighting a brutal war of attrition that includes bombing hospitals, obliterating the electrical grid, killing children hiding in the basement of an opera house, annexing territory and destroying cities like Mariupol. I don't think Russia can claim to be a victim because Ukraine is fighting back.

i have zero idea where anyone would interpret my questions/observations as sympathizing with Russia or seeing them as a victim.
but, have at it.

[Szdfan]

P.298: “Biden admin announces another $125M in military assistance for Ukraine as fighting intensifies on Russian soil”
“Ukrainian forces have brought the war to Russian soil amid a fierce offensive”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- ... ssian-soil

I think there would be more sympathy for Russia if they weren't 900 days into a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, fighting a brutal war of attrition that includes bombing hospitals, obliterating the electrical grid, killing children hiding in the basement of an opera house, annexing territory and destroying cities like Mariupol. I don't think Russia can claim to be a victim because Ukraine is fighting back.

i have zero idea where anyone would interpret my questions/observations as sympathizing with Russia or seeing them as a victim.
but, have at it.

The questions "Who has enabled Ukraine, who planned it, what promises have been made?"

[Soloist]

My guess is quietly the political appointees have been shuffled off to the side and were defending places like this. Meanwhile, the front line probably got more competent leaders.

[temporal1]

I think there would be more sympathy for Russia if they weren't 900 days into a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, fighting a brutal war of attrition that includes bombing hospitals, obliterating the electrical grid, killing children hiding in the basement of an opera house, annexing territory and destroying cities like Mariupol. I don't think Russia can claim to be a victim because Ukraine is fighting back.

i have zero idea where anyone would interpret my questions/observations as sympathizing with Russia or seeing them as a victim.
but, have at it.

The questions "Who has enabled Ukraine, who planned it, what promises have been made?"

.. I don't know what the situation is like now regarding corruption. ..

imho, Russia’s corrupt, Ukraine is corrupt, the U.S. is corrupt. (no particular order.)

[Szdfan]

i have zero idea where anyone would interpret my questions/observations as sympathizing with Russia or seeing them as a victim.
but, have at it.

The questions "Who has enabled Ukraine, who planned it, what promises have been made?"

.. I don't know what the situation is like now regarding corruption. ..

imho, Russia’s corrupt, Ukraine is corrupt, the U.S. is corrupt. (no particular order.)

I would frame it as that countries act in their own self-interest, or at least what they perceive as their self-interest.

[Soloist]

I would frame it as that countries act in their own self-interest, or at least what they perceive as their self-interest.

I agree completely. I would also argue that rarely does it reflect the will of the populace.

[Szdfan]

I would frame it as that countries act in their own self-interest, or at least what they perceive as their self-interest.

I agree completely. I would also argue that rarely does it reflect the will of the populace.

I haven't been able to find it again, but I read quote from one of the Russian dissidents that was part of the recent prisoner swap with the US that the war is a catastrophe for Russia. It really is. The consequences and damage done by this war will be generational for both Russia and Ukraine.

[Soloist]

I would frame it as that countries act in their own self-interest, or at least what they perceive as their self-interest.

I agree completely. I would also argue that rarely does it reflect the will of the populace.

I haven't been able to find it again, but I read quote from one of the Russian dissidents that was part of the recent prisoner swap with the US that the war is a catastrophe for Russia. It really is. The consequences and damage done by this war will be generational for both Russia and Ukraine.

Well it’s hard to know, the dissidents of course will look at the actions of their country in a negative light. There is a reason Russia is keeping their “primary” citizens out of the fight and a reason Ukraine is trying to bring it to them.
The problem is that Russian citizens will likely see hardship as unfriendly western actions and not the fault of themselves.
Consider, the US goes in and wage war in a little country, they rightly see America as aggressors so they attack US ships, and the US conveniently brand them as terrorists.

What do US citizens think?
If we invade Iran to stop the rise of antisemitism, who do you think Iran will hate?
If Iran strikes US soil what will Americans think?

So what realistically is going to be the response to Ukrainian invasion? “Putin is evil and we must stop our war of aggression!”? Or “Putin was right! Look at the threat this evil nation poses!”

I do agree that Ukraine will feel the ramifications from this, their population is going to be decimated. As for Russia… economically they’ll suffer, but their population will be just fine. It will end up breeding more self-sufficiency for their production chains. Short term, It will be very costly, long-term it will be better

[barnhart]

Maybe Ukraine is thinking of a ceasefire and wants Russian territory to "trade" for Ukraine territory seized by Russia so the ceasefire borders can reflect the pre- invasion borders.

[temporal1]

The questions "Who has enabled Ukraine, who planned it, what promises have been made?"

.. I don't know what the situation is like now regarding corruption. ..

imho, Russia’s corrupt, Ukraine is corrupt, the U.S. is corrupt. (no particular order.)

I would frame it as that countries act in their own self-interest, or at least what they perceive as their self-interest.

i expect this is an excellent summation, which begs questions wrt U.S. investments, which appear to be bottomless to many observers. bottomless, and, worldwide, without boundaries. the U.S. MIC is enjoying a real global heyday via career politicians.

2018 / Trump cutting military spending?
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