Seattle’s (former?) Capitol Hill neighborhood

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barnhart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:13 pm I thought the demise/dissolution of the state mental hospital system was a federal bill from the Kennedy era in which the feds stepped up to fund local, community based mental health facilities to replace them, which was never realized. So we closed the state lockdown facilities and replaced them with nothing.

Other than being disturbed about it, i’ve never known details. Just abundant evidence of tragic results.

Mental Health Systems Act of 1980
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_He ... ct_of_1980
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barnhart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:13 pm I thought the demise/dissolution of the state mental hospital system was a federal bill from the Kennedy era in which the feds stepped up to fund local, community based mental health facilities to replace them, which was never realized. So we closed the state lockdown facilities and replaced them with nothing.
It may have been brewing since the 1960s, but it was O'Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 that spurred things along: O'Connor v. Donaldson

There was supposed to be increased funding for community-based mental health services in the wake of that decision but it never really happened. In 1980 during the last year of the Carter Administration Congress passed the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 which was supposed to fund community mental health systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_He ... ct_of_1980 but most of that was quickly repealed by Congress during the Reagan Administration and so never really took effect.
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Ken wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:42 pm
barnhart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:13 pm I thought the demise/dissolution of the state mental hospital system was a federal bill from the Kennedy era in which the feds stepped up to fund local, community based mental health facilities to replace them, which was never realized. So we closed the state lockdown facilities and replaced them with nothing.
It may have been brewing since the 1960s, but it was O'Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 that spurred things along: O'Connor v. Donaldson

There was supposed to be increased funding for community-based mental health services in the wake of that decision but it never really happened. In 1980 during the last year of the Carter Administration Congress passed the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 which was supposed to fund community mental health systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_He ... ct_of_1980 but most of that was quickly repealed by Congress during the Reagan Administration and so never really took effect.
Hmm... Interesting. I may have confused the Kennedy and Carter administrations I guess...
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S T A R B U C K S - moving to Nashville

STARBUCKS+
Other big employers talking of moving, too. In part, if not in whole.

Beware, Nashville.
From what Seattle-area people have said, Seattle has been damaged over decades by people moving from So California.
Easy to believe. People bring their really bad habits+ideas right along with them. :-|

imho
states should adopt states’ versions of naturalization for newbies, to help them recognize they’re “not in Kansas, anymore”. :-|
so to speak.

STARBUCKS / “Message from Sara: Expanding our presence in the Southeast”
Sara Kelly, chief partner officer, shared the following message to U.S. support partners (employees) on Tuesday, April 21, 2026
https://about.starbucks.com/press/2026/ ... southeast/

Southeast. hmm.

The Tennessean / “Nashville mayor considers cash incentives for Starbucks in rare move” [paywall]
https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/ ... 894725007/
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T1, under the old covenant God made a distinction between different people groups, nations and cultures, and asked his people to physically be separate. There were laws designed to keep the the chosen and the un-chosen apart to avoid contamination from the un-godly. These laws extended to people with communicable disease, such as leprosy, to keep God's people safe and pure. Even people with physical deformity were separated from society to some extent by being excluded from the rituals of life like worship and celebration.

One of the more striking things Jesus did or taught is found at the end of the sermon on the mountain where he lays out the essence of the new covenant, the newly arrived kingdom of heaven. After explaining the values and practices of the new kingdom he walks down from the mountain and encounters a man with leprosy who kneels before him.

"Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."
Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man.
"I am willing," he said. "Be clean!"


The detail of an observant jew, even a teacher, intensionally touching a leper as forbidden in the law of Moses could easily have been left out, particularly by Matthew since he wrote with sensitivity to a Jewish audience. The controversial nature of it is clear in the next verse because Jesus has to warn the man to stay quiet. I think this is included intensionally as a cosmic level turning point in how the power of God will interact with the powers of darkness, sin, deception and disease in the new covenant.

The rules of contamination have been reversed, health and life now flow out of God's people more powerfully than contamination and sin flow in. This is why Jesus said he saw Satan fall when the disciples were sent out to announce the kingdom and to heal, this is why Jesus asks us to be sheep among wolves, in the world but not of it, a light in dark places, to go into all the world and make disciples because the rules of contamination have been reversed and the prophecies have been fulfilled as healing flows to the nations.
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barnhart wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2026 8:15 am T1, under the old covenant God made a distinction between different people groups, nations and cultures, and asked his people to physically be separate. There were laws designed to keep the the chosen and the un-chosen apart to avoid contamination from the un-godly. These laws extended to people with communicable disease, such as leprosy, to keep God's people safe and pure. Even people with physical deformity were separated from society to some extent by being excluded from the rituals of life like worship and celebration.

One of the more striking things Jesus did or taught is found at the end of the sermon on the mountain where he lays out the essence of the new covenant, the newly arrived kingdom of heaven. After explaining the values and practices of the new kingdom he walks down from the mountain and encounters a man with leprosy who kneels before him.

"Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."
Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man.
"I am willing," he said. "Be clean!"


The detail of an observant jew, even a teacher, intensionally touching a leper as forbidden in the law of Moses could easily have been left out, particularly by Matthew since he wrote with sensitivity to a Jewish audience. The controversial nature of it is clear in the next verse because Jesus has to warn the man to stay quiet. I think this is included intensionally as a cosmic level turning point in how the power of God will interact with the powers of darkness, sin, deception and disease in the new covenant.

The rules of contamination have been reversed, health and life now flow out of God's people more powerfully than contamination and sin flow in. This is why Jesus said he saw Satan fall when the disciples were sent out to announce the kingdom and to heal, this is why Jesus asks us to be sheep among wolves, in the world but not of it, a light in dark places, to go into all the world and make disciples because the rules of contamination have been reversed and the prophecies have been fulfilled as healing flows to the nations.
These sound like nice platitudes, but at a certain level, a widow like temporal1 should be excused if she simply wants to live in a certain amount of safety and not be assaulted, murdered, and robbed.
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I'm not sure how Starbucks expanding their presence in Nashville (the article does not say they are moving, though some workers might be) is grounds for assuming that t1 might be less safe as a result, latte alone that she might be assaulted, murdered, or robbed.
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ohio jones wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2026 2:12 pm I'm not sure how Starbucks expanding their presence in Nashville (the article does not say they are moving, though some workers might be) is grounds for assuming that t1 might be less safe as a result, latte alone that she might be assaulted, murdered, or robbed.
i’m trying to think of another topic where similar has been discussed.
Public safety, moral conscience, Christian response, are important topics.

There are MANY reports saying Starbucks is leaving (and other large corporations). Tax policies at center.
i thought it worthwhile to read Starbuck’s statement. To begin, anyway.

Mayor Wilson reminds me of a character out of Dr Zhivago.
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Public safety, moral conscience, Christian response, are important topics.
these things have been discussed in this topic. Starbuck’s is about taxes, profits, business (from what i understand). similar to NYC current problems.
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ohio jones wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2026 2:12 pm I'm not sure how Starbucks expanding their presence in Nashville (the article does not say they are moving, though some workers might be) is grounds for assuming that t1 might be less safe as a result, latte alone that she might be assaulted, murdered, or robbed.
I'm puzzled as well. The last time I was in Nashville, I saw Starbucks all over the place, although it is not surprising to hear they are trying to open even more outlets. They keep opening new ones here that don't even have any seating.
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