Coronavirus Outbreak

[Bill Rushby]

Josh wrote: "It would be interesting if the NeverTrump crowd could show the self-discipline to talk about the coronavirus crisis without constantly getting jabs in at Trump."

Pot calling the kettle black??

[temporal1]

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Ken:
That’s actually not true, especially in southern states that did not expand Medicaid under the ACA. In Texas, for example, the income limit for a single adult to qualify for Medicaid is something ridiculous like $275/month. For the children’s programs like CHIP it is higher, but for ordinary poor adults with any kind of income at all there is basically no coverage.

If this crisis really expands, it is going to completely expose a lot of cracks in our heath care system. That someone can be sent court-enforceable random medical bills with completely made up numbers that they never have to justify should already be criminal fraud.

But we may soon see a lot of low level medical staffers get infected and put into the ICU units at their local hospitals and then get hit with massive medical bills for treatment in their own hospitals for an illness that they caught working at the same hospital.

Bernie Sanders is going to start looking better and better. And I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders.

i’m not sure why you continue to ignore $9.5B just allocated in response to this virus.
(i think) comparable to a FEMA-like response to other natural disasters.

Aside from this virus, actually a separate topic, you’re speaking as tho U.S. health care is “settled,” i see no indication of that, whatsoever. it wasn’t settled under 8 years of obama, it’s not settled 3 years later.

It’s unknown how the $9.5B will be used.
i’m willing to give it more than a couple of days to be sorted out.

(it appears doubtful BS will be nominated by his claimed party, no matter what media hankers for.)

[Dan Z]

It's interesting how these things sort out so quickly.

I tend to see this kind of event and hope for and expect a good response from the health policy experts, allowing time for information to come out, and waiting for responses to ramp up. But, I've been noticing on my Facebook feed (and somewhat here on MN) that many people are predisposed to immediately sort themselves out into (predictable) response groups depending on their political loyalties and presuppositions - with very little information and very little thought.

Those most fervently on the right have unsurprisingly and immediately begun:

• 1) questioning the WHO and international reporting, and mocking serious responses as 'fake news' or irrational,
  2) stalwartly praising the President's comments and handling, even though not much has happened yet,
  3) pointing to the most optimistic vaccine development dates, claim that vaccines will be ready in just a few months,
  4) accusing the Democrats and anti-Trump media of hyping the disease to create panic just to bring the president down,
  5) seeing deep state and globalist forces behind the world response, and even some conspiracy behind its growth,
  6) blaming the opposition for insincerity and incompetence.

Those most strongly on the left have immediately and predictably started:

• 1) criticizing Trump's initial responses and the qualifications of his Corona-virus point man (Pence),
  2) critiquing Trump CDC cutbacks and failure to fund or staff key positions,
  3) looking toward worst-case-scenarios for death rates and global pandemic possibilities,
  4) claiming very long vaccine development periods of a year or more,
  5) seeing incompetence and corruption before the response has even begun,
  6) blaming the opposition for insincerity and grandstanding.

Not that all of these responses are inappropriate, but frankly, I consider politicized responses like this neither thoughtful or especially helpful. This crisis is about the health and well-being of millions, including potentially those we love - the world needs to come together & do the right thing, not just the politically expedient thing.

[temporal1]

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The government ordered them into quarantine/observation against their will and it turned out they didn't even have the virus in the first place. [Why] should they have to pay a dime for any of it?

i tend to agree.

It’s sure a reasonable question when so many take so much with no obligation or strings, whether they are mandated to do so or not.

However, i believe this is a temporary bump that will be addressed quickly.
It’s not sustainable/manageable/enforceable for any sort of widespread disaster.

i predict part of the $9.5B will be accessed to both mitigate financial burdens, and make testing possible, not something to skip because you can’t pay for it. it’s a community health hazard, not a luxury. like cosmetic or optional surgery. we will see.

[AnthonyMartin]

It's interesting how these things sort out so quickly.

I tend to see this kind of event and hope for and expect a good response from the health policy experts, allowing time for information to come out, and waiting for responses to ramp up. But, I've been noticing on my Facebook feed (and somewhat here on MN) that many people are predisposed to immediately sort themselves out into (predictable) response groups depending on their political loyalties and presuppositions - with very little information and very little thought.

Those most fervently on the right have unsurprisingly and immediately begun:

• 1) questioning the WHO and international reporting, and mocking serious responses as 'fake news' or irrational,
  2) stalwartly praising the President's comments and handling, even though not much has happened yet,
  3) pointing to the most optimistic vaccine development dates, claim that vaccines will be ready in just a few months,
  4) accusing the Democrats and anti-Trump media of hyping the disease to create panic just to bring the president down,
  5) seeing deep state and globalist forces behind the world response, and even some conspiracy behind its growth,
  6) blaming the opposition for insincerity and incompetence.

Those most strongly on the left have immediately and predictably started:

• 1) criticizing Trump's initial responses and the qualifications of his Corona-virus point man (Pence),
  2) critiquing Trump CDC cutbacks and failure to fund or staff key positions,
  3) looking toward worst-case-scenarios for death rates and global pandemic possibilities,
  4) claiming very long vaccine development periods of a year or more,
  5) seeing incompetence and corruption before the response has even begun,
  6) blaming the opposition for insincerity and grandstanding.

Not that all of these responses are inappropriate, but frankly, I consider politicized responses like this neither thoughtful or especially helpful. This crisis is about the health and well-being of millions, including potentially those we love - the world needs to come together & do the right thing, not just the politically expedient thing.

Thank you DanZ

[temporal1]

It's interesting how these things sort out so quickly.

I tend to see this kind of event and hope for and expect a good response from the health policy experts, allowing time for information to come out, and waiting for responses to ramp up. But, I've been noticing on my Facebook feed (and somewhat here on MN) that many people are predisposed to immediately sort themselves out into (predictable) response groups depending on their political loyalties and presuppositions - with very little information and very little thought.

Those most fervently on the right have unsurprisingly and immediately begun:

• 1) questioning the WHO and international reporting, and mocking serious responses as 'fake news' or irrational,
  2) stalwartly praising the President's comments and handling, even though not much has happened yet,
  3) pointing to the most optimistic vaccine development dates, claim that vaccines will be ready in just a few months,
  4) accusing the Democrats and anti-Trump media of hyping the disease to create panic just to bring the president down,
  5) seeing deep state and globalist forces behind the world response, and even some conspiracy behind its growth,
  6) blaming the opposition for insincerity and incompetence.

Those most strongly on the left have immediately and predictably started:

• 1) criticizing Trump's initial responses and the qualifications of his Corona-virus point man (Pence),
  2) critiquing Trump CDC cutbacks and failure to fund or staff key positions,
  3) looking toward worst-case-scenarios for death rates and global pandemic possibilities,
  4) claiming very long vaccine development periods of a year or more,
  5) seeing incompetence and corruption before the response has even begun,
  6) blaming the opposition for insincerity and grandstanding.

Not that all of these responses are inappropriate, but frankly, I consider politicized responses like this neither thoughtful or especially helpful. This crisis is about the health and well-being of millions, including potentially those we love - the world needs to come together & do the right thing, not just the politically expedient thing.

i agree.
it appears Congress is going to generally behave and attempt to appear as lucid adults.
i have not looked at news today, but, as of yesterday, it appeared hopeful.

leadership carries a lot of influence.
if they will put their tomahawks down for awhile, we might experience a bit of a break.

[Szdfan]

i predict part of the $9.5B will be accessed to both mitigate financial burdens, and make testing possible, not something to skip because you can’t pay for it. it’s a community health hazard, not a luxury. like cosmetic or optional surgery. we will see.

Temp, I haven't been able to find anything that suggests that $9.5 Billion has been allocated to fight coronavirus. Last I saw, the Trump administration asked for $2.5 Billion, the Democrats said that wasn't enough and I haven't seen anything beyond that. I'd be thrilled if someone could confirm that this funding is in place.

[Bootstrap]

Science Magazine has a good overview on what it takes to create a vaccine, the stages involved, and how long it can take:

Scientists are moving at record speed to create new coronavirus vaccines—but they may come too late

When people talk about vaccines that will be available in a few months, are they talking about being ready for testing in phase one human trials?

[Bootstrap]

i predict part of the $9.5B will be accessed to both mitigate financial burdens, and make testing possible, not something to skip because you can’t pay for it. it’s a community health hazard, not a luxury. like cosmetic or optional surgery. we will see.

Temp, I haven't been able to find anything that suggests that $9.5 Billion has been allocated to fight coronavirus. Last I saw, the Trump administration asked for $2.5 Billion, the Democrats said that wasn't enough and I haven't seen anything beyond that. I'd be thrilled if someone could confirm that this funding is in place.

I have no idea how many billion dollars are needed. Has anyone seen a good breakdown of what is needed and how much it costs? What needs to be funded?

What do we want the government to do and why?

[temporal1]

i predict part of the $9.5B will be accessed to both mitigate financial burdens, and make testing possible, not something to skip because you can’t pay for it. it’s a community health hazard, not a luxury. like cosmetic or optional surgery. we will see.

Temp, I haven't been able to find anything that suggests that $9.5 Billion has been allocated to fight coronavirus. Last I saw, the Trump administration asked for $2.5 Billion, the Democrats said that wasn't enough and I haven't seen anything beyond that. I'd be thrilled if someone could confirm that this funding is in place.

Read Trump’s remarks in the OP/PENCE thread.
They’re lengthy. They’re a few days old. Things are moving quickly.
skim thru. he addressed the money.
http://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2732

i hope you do not get the virus. being as sick as you are/have been is a worry.