Cultural Separation from Parents

[Ken]

Yes, some states are rushing into vouchers and various other ways to funnel public money into private and largely unregulated charter schools. Other states are not.

Josh cites Ohio where the experience has been mixed at best. When researchers look at the success of voucher programs and charter schools in Ohio they find that voucher and charter schools tend to perform more poorly than corresponding public schools in the same area. So, for example, charter schools in Youngstown Ohio perform worse than public schools in the same area. Ohio was once a leading state in public education and now in recent years its rank is sliding. Cause and effect? Who knows. Look up the Stanford studies on this subject.

Other states are more ridiculous. In Florida, parents can use vouchers for all manner of ridiculous things like flat screen TVs, video games, kayaks, Disneyworld tickets, skateboards, etc. if they can cite some vague connection to any sort of homeschool curricula no matter how shady. Since there are no standards for homeschooling in Florida. None. https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/ ... 50efc107e9

There is also a tremendous amount of grift involved in the whole charter and voucher business. Fly-by-night fraudulent operations scooping up millions of public dollars with no accountability. Schools that exist on paper but not real life. Online academies that are just static web sites with no instruction happening.

It is really a race to the bottom.

If you are affluent and sending your kids to private school anyway, what's not to like? It is just free money in your pocket. In some states, something like 70% of vouchers go to affluent families who were already enrolled in private schools. So it is just a trickle-up subsidy for the already wealthy.

On the other hand, if you are a less than affluent family in a rural area with a special needs child who has legitimate disabilities that require expensive one-on-one care by trained special education teachers, then you will watch your local public school get increasingly defunded and lose resources as money is transferred away to pay for wealthy students to attend private schools. And you will look around and find that no private school options actually exist for your child since few private schools are interested in serving expensive special needs students, especially the small private schools that might exist in rural areas. And often there are none at all.

It is a grand experiment we are engaged in state by state right now. I expect the results will not be what people expect. Or maybe people just don't care and if they have theirs they don't really care about the greater good. Running schools that serve ALL students is no small task. Something that most voucher-supported private schools do not even come close to doing.

[temporal1]

THOMAS SOWELL is an enthusiastic proponent of U.S. charter schools.
i hesitate, knowing gov defines “the slippery slope.”

As much as i respect TS, i’m not convinced, but here is a short blip of his compelling view of charter schools:

2021 / “Thomas Sowell on why the left hates Charter Schools” / 44 seconds

Found in Comments:

@alexacosta2140 1 year ago
TLDR:
When I was in highschool I failed miserably at all Math, to the point where I was a junior who didn’t know how to do algebra.
I left for a charter school, and within a month I learned the subject quite well.
Even going as far as acing a math test for the first time in my life.

Only later did I find out that in a public school attendance was the only priority, while in a charter school the teacher had to actually have students consistently improving or they would lose their job.

^^ (i have not fact-checked this comment.)

Charter schools are NOT a new concept. Decades in the making. TS believes they are a threat to teachers+their unions.

3 years ago / “An Economist Looks at 90: Tom Sowell on Charter Schools and Their Enemies” / -58min

Recorded on July 1, 2020

The day before this show was recorded, Dr. Thomas Sowell began his 10th decade of life.
Remarkably on one hand and yet completely expected on the other, he remains as engaged, analytical, and thoughtful as ever.

In this interview (one of roughly a dozen or so we’ve conducted with Dr. Sowell over the years), we delve into his new book Charter Schools and Their Enemies, a sobering look at the academic success of charter schools in New York City, and the fierce battles waged by teachers unions and progressive politicians to curtail them.

Dr. Sowell’s conclusion is equally thought provoking:
If the opponents of charter schools succeed, the biggest losers will be poor minority children for whom a quality education is the best chance for a better life.

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[temporal1]

.. My answer is to drop the entire public school system.

My opinion is people's taxes should go to whatever school system they wish to support, public, if they so choose.
Mine would go to the Catholic parochial school of my own choice and so would my children.

From your keyboard to God’s ear.

The pandemic shut downs allowed “flirting” with the possibility as not before.
It doesn’t seem nearly as far-fetched/impossible.

God works in mysterious ways. Lots of eyes are open.
Reports are, parents are showing up at school board meetings - where they belong. Admin+teachers need to know, they no longer have carte blanche to do as they please.

Better late than never.

[temporal1]

Calling out hypocrisy of lib political and union leaders:

WOKE Chicago Teachers Union Boss Sends Her Son To PRIVATE School! / 11min


'Completely Hypocritical': Larry Elder Slams Michelle Obama For Opposing School Choice At Iowa Event / 6min


bunny trail.
It must be very difficult for pastors+priests to live in communities of vast wealth, knowing incomes, property values, material indulgences, the cost of private education .. tithing? It must take nerves of steel to deal with it. i can’t imagine.

[Josh]

Ken,

100% incorrect. Special education is specially funded and private schools can access special ed services provided by the local school district if they need to.

As far as badly performing charter schools… many charter schools are set up specifically to serve students who aren’t making it in public school. One in Youngstown serves pupils who have been expelled from public school. Another one in Akron specialises in students who are pregnant. They make sure they can stay in school after having their babies and provide on site child care plus special parenting classes and have an on site clinic to do well baby visits and stuff like that.

But in any case I don’t see what’s wrong with putting money in parents’ pockets and letting them choose how to spend it. Public schools aren’t losing one dime from local property or income taxes.

[MaxPC]

From my experiences, whenever I see someone present explanations write multiple serial postings of great length trying to justify secular sins and perversions, that is a possible sure sign of mental issues and addictions.

In the case of defending the sexualisation of children, the questions that emerge for me are:
-Does this person have an addiction to child porn?
-If so, does this person work with children?
-Does this person victimise children?
-Is this person supporting the sexualisation of children to create a new supply of victims?

This would be a much better way of expressing the thought without targeting. I underlined the I statements that identify that this is a personal opinion. I think this is a legitimate expression, but needed to be less targeted.

Indeed, I was referencing those incidents that are occurring across the USA in the domain of the public schools. A simple question from JustMe would have cleared the matter for her.

The multiple serial postings online of individuals on school boards, principals and teachers pushing the homosexual and transgender agendas are certainly a dangerous warning sign. When I see an entire state tell children to keep secrets from their parents, it causes me concern as "keeping secrets" is one of the warning signs that a pedophile or pederast is targeting the child.

In Oklahoma there is an elementary principal who was serially posting about the rights of transgenders and as it happens, he is also a drag queen. Why did the school board not do a more thorough job of his background check? Is the school board naive or is it enabling this sin? Fact Check link.

The school board in Virginia who targeted parents who protested the coverup of the sexual assault of female students by a male wearing a skirt in the women's lavatory; this is part and parcel of the same agenda. That school board wrote reams of postings trying to justify their policy of allowing males in female lavatories; they tried to shut down the incident rather than listen to the parents of the young ladies who were assaulted.

All of these incidents reveal a highly disturbing pattern occurring: the questions I posted above should be asked of every public school applicant who pushes this agenda online. Children are the God-given responsibility of parents. Schools should be promoting communication between the school, parent and the child instead of promoting "secrets" as a pedophile would do.

Woe unto them who call evil good; and good, evil. Isaiah 5:20

[Ken]

From my experiences, whenever I see someone present explanations write multiple serial postings of great length trying to justify secular sins and perversions, that is a possible sure sign of mental issues and addictions.

In the case of defending the sexualisation of children, the questions that emerge for me are:
-Does this person have an addiction to child porn?
-If so, does this person work with children?
-Does this person victimise children?
-Is this person supporting the sexualisation of children to create a new supply of victims?

This would be a much better way of expressing the thought without targeting. I underlined the I statements that identify that this is a personal opinion. I think this is a legitimate expression, but needed to be less targeted.

Indeed, I was referencing those incidents that are occurring across the USA in the domain of the public schools. A simple question from JustMe would have cleared the matter for her.

The multiple serial postings online of individuals on school boards, principals and teachers pushing the homosexual and transgender agendas are certainly a dangerous warning sign. When I see an entire state tell children to keep secrets from their parents, it causes me concern as "keeping secrets" is one of the warning signs that a pedophile or pederast is targeting the child.

In Oklahoma there is an elementary principal who was serially posting about the rights of transgenders and as it happens, he is also a drag queen. Why did the school board not do a more thorough job of his background check? Is the school board naive or is it enabling this sin? Fact Check link.

The school board in Virginia who targeted parents who protested the coverup of the sexual assault of female students by a male wearing a skirt in the women's lavatory; this is part and parcel of the same agenda. That school board wrote reams of postings trying to justify their policy of allowing males in female lavatories; they tried to shut down the incident rather than listen to the parents of the young ladies who were assaulted.

All of these incidents reveal a highly disturbing pattern occurring: the questions I posted above should be asked of every public school applicant who pushes this agenda online. Children are the God-given responsibility of parents. Schools should be promoting communication between the school, parent and the child instead of promoting "secrets" as a pedophile would do.

Woe unto them who call evil good; and good, evil. Isaiah 5:20

One would think that someone who associates himself with conservative Catholicism would be more circumspect about flinging around utterly baseless allegations of pedophilia. I mean seriously.

[temporal1]

.. flinging around utterly baseless allegations ..

who’s doing what?
“legitimate expression” doesn’t suggest (lies).

reading for content can’t be over valued. focus. think.

[MaxPC]

Special education is specially funded and private schools can access special ed services provided by the local school district if they need to.

Depending upon the state and diocese, Catholic schools have been hiring their own teachers for special needs to avoid the federal dosh with strings. They also contract specialised private teachers (not connected with a public system) who may have credentials for teaching low incidence exceptionalities e.g. the hearing impaired and the visually impaired.

As far as badly performing charter schools… many charter schools are set up specifically to serve students who aren’t making it in public school.

This a step in the right direction certainly, if the charters are providing practical skills training to help the student make a living.

But in any case I don’t see what’s wrong with putting money in parents’ pockets and letting them choose how to spend it. Public schools aren’t losing one dime from local property or income taxes.

Indeed and agreed.

[ohio jones]

“legitimate expression” doesn’t suggest (lies).

I've tried reading this for content and can't make heads or tails of it. Writing for content also can't be over valued. Could you rephrase or restate this a bit more clearly?