Global Warning/Climate Change

[Robert]

Maybe it was some popularized prediction that hasn't come true. Nations are planning regular traffic in the NW passage now, expecting it to be free every year.

The Vikings came that way in about 1000AD too.

[JohnL]

All the doom predictions are not coming true.

Over the last few years, the global temperature has increased more than the models have predicted. A few years do not make a definite trend, but maybe the real predictions were too conservative.

Maybe it was some popularized prediction that hasn't come true. Nations are planning regular traffic in the NW passage now, expecting it to be free every year.

At this point, we don't know if we've passed an irreversible tipping point. With the US rejecting the science that most of the rest of the world knows, we will soon.

At least let's work on being ready to welcome tens of millions of climate refugees.

All I see here is just repeating old climate change propaganda from Chinese interests. The latest reports on weather trends say the doom and gloomers got it wrong. I don’t see a need for refugees because humans have survived all kinds of extreme climates including the Ice Age. There’s plenty of archeology finds to prove that happened. Nope. I’m not buying what China is selling about this.

[JimFoxvog]

Maybe it was some popularized prediction that hasn't come true. Nations are planning regular traffic in the NW passage now, expecting it to be free every year.

The Vikings came that way in about 1000AD too.

I have Viking ancestors and am fairly aware of their travels, but never heard they went around what is now Canada to the north and south through the Bering Strait into the Pacific. What saga or archaeological evidence points to this?

[JohnH]

At least let's work on being ready to welcome tens of millions of climate refugees.

Why should the U.S. have to do that?

The bulk of “greenhouse gas” emissions come from China and India which the U.S. has no control over.

[Robert]

I have Viking ancestors and am fairly aware of their travels, but never heard they went around what is now Canada to the north and south through the Bering Strait into the Pacific. What saga or archaeological evidence points to this?

Seems they are finding that Greenland was quite green and some explored north into the Arctic and south into Vinland, until they ran into some natives that attacked them and scared them quite thoroughly because they used guerilla type tactics and were seen more as ghosts then human. This is why the Vikings never expanded much past Greenland during the Medieval warming event right before the Mini Ice Age.

[JohnL]

I have Viking ancestors and am fairly aware of their travels, but never heard they went around what is now Canada to the north and south through the Bering Strait into the Pacific. What saga or archaeological evidence points to this?

Seems they are finding that Greenland was quite green and some explored north into the Arctic and south into Vinland, until they ran into some natives that attacked them and scared them quite thoroughly because they used guerilla type tactics and were seen more as ghosts then human. This is why the Vikings never expanded much past Greenland during the Medieval warming event right before the Mini Ice Age.

I read one time in National Geographic that Viking graves were found in China and in what's called Canada.
The migrations across the ice bridges during the Ice Ages were done on foot according to archeology. I'm always amazed at how smart humans have been at adapting to adverse conditions. I guess humans have always liked a challenge.

[temporal1]

i’m stupefied at how much traveling Jesus and His apostles did on foot in sandals. No REI/North Face.
Donkeys and some Roman roads were part of it.

Still. John 21:25 https://biblehub.com/john/21-25.htm
Jesus had no limits on earth.

We are left to be awestruck.

[JimFoxvog]

At least let's work on being ready to welcome tens of millions of climate refugees.

Why should the U.S. have to do that?

Why would I want to save someone's life? Why would people want to help other people who are in serious trouble? Jesus taught us, "Whatever you do to the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me."

[JohnL]

Mars may be quietly controlling when ice ages on Earth happen.
Remove Mars from the solar system, and Earth's ice age rhythm falls apart. A planet half our size and 140 million miles away is quietly shaping our climate — and has been for billions of years.
Stephen Kane, a planetary astrophysicist at UC Riverside, set out to disprove this idea. He ran computer simulations spanning 100 million years, dialing Mars's mass from zero to ten times its current value to see what would happen to Earth's Milankovitch cycles — the slow orbital shifts that control how sunlight reaches our planet and when ice ages begin and end.
The 430,000-year cycle driven by Venus and Jupiter? Completely unaffected. But two other critical cycles — a 100,000-year rhythm and a 2.4-million-year "grand cycle" — vanished entirely the moment Mars was removed. Crank up Mars's mass, and both cycles sped up. Even more surprising, a heavier Mars actually stabilized Earth's axial tilt, slowing down the wobble that drives glacial advance and retreat.
Mars pulls this off because of its distance from the Sun. Farther out, it's less dominated by solar gravity, allowing it to tug on Earth more effectively than its small size would suggest. As Kane put it, "it punches above its weight." The findings raise a profound question: without Mars, would Earth's climate history — and the evolution it drove — look anything like what we know?

RESEARCH PAPER
Kane et al, "The Dependence of Earth Milankovitch Cycles on Martian Mass", Publications of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific (2025)

[Valerie]

At least let's work on being ready to welcome tens of millions of climate refugees.

Why should the U.S. have to do that?

Why would I want to save someone's life? Why would people want to help other people who are in serious trouble? Jesus taught us, "Whatever you do to the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me."

Prophetically speaking Jim, since Scripture takes us to the end when Christ returns, there is no mention of catastrophic global warming but some God ordained catastrophic situations, do you really see where climate change will be a threat?