Bankruptcy: Boy Scouts of America

[appleman2006]

I do have a question. Are pedophiles born that way?

[Ken]

Notice how Szd and Ken are eager to cover up and ignore abuse, just like we have to deal with in conservative Anabaptist circles.

Active homosexual men like Harold Herr, Jeriah Mast in CA circles, and abuser priests in Catholic circles, and abusers in Boy Scout circles have been preying on vulnerable young boys.

Yet Szd and Ken’s priority is to expect us to be more tolerant of active homosexual men. They don’t care about victims - they care about making sure active homosexuals feel “comfortable”.

I’d like to extend this opportunity to both of them to repent for falling into the sin described in Romans 1 and Jude:

“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

No one who promotes and tolerates men “burning in their lust one toward another” will be with Jesus in his eternal kingdom. The time to repent and seek Jesus’ grace is NOW!

I don't know how you get any of that out of what I wrote. I'm not trying to defend the Boy Scouts (or Catholic church) in the slightest. They probably do need to be taken into receivership and the leadership purged of every single person who had any role in protecting the nest of pedophiles that they apparently became. Same thing with the Catholic church. They do have a lot of excellent campground properties in high priced areas and I would like to see some way those properties could be preserved and used by some sort of reconstituted organization rather than just being sold off for cash to housing developers.

Where we disagree is that you apparently believe the problem was gay men in scouting while I believe the problem was pedophiles. The evidence suggests that I'm correct about this not you. Gay men (and gay boys) were never allowed in scouting during the entire time of this scandal and were purged when discovered. Yet pedophiles were still rampant and apparently protected in the guise of protecting the organization. While scouting was busy purging gay men for decades, they had hundreds of pedophiles operating right under their noses. That is what happens when you target the wrong problem.

You mentioned J.Mast. He is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He was living an ordinary heterosexual life for decades with a wife and children. He was also a pedophile and child abuser. That is actually the more typical pattern. Purging the ranks of CAM of LGBT people would not have done anything about J.Mast because he was living an ordinary heterosexual life. Most of the pedophiles uncovered by the Boy Scouts heterosexual men with families who also happened to be pedophiles.

[Ken]

I do have a question. Are pedophiles born that way?

I don't know the expansive answer to your question. But a lot of abusers were also abused themselves as children, so it is a cycle that needs to be broken. Which again, suggests that it isn't a gay/straight issue but something different. I expect there is an enormous amount of research on this topic. I'm just too lazy to look it up.

[Josh]

Correction, these men were homosexuals who were able to convince other people they were heterosexual. In the case of Herr and Mast, it’s shocking they could do this - they obviously were oriented towards teenaged males, and continued to offend with post-pubescent males over and over. That’s not a “pedophile”, which the DSM defines as someone oriented towards pre-adolescents.

Of course, many homosexuals are celibate, including some friends of mine whom I consider brethren in Christ and I look up to highly. And many other homosexuals avoid offending with underage males. However, homosexuals having relationships with teenaged boys is extremely common, unfortunately.

I agree that the approach BSA took didn’t work. In the future, there needs to be a different standard set, so I agree with you there Ken.

[JimFoxvog]

I do have a question. Are pedophiles born that way?

The subjective experience is described very similarly to what homosexuals describe. There is a likely genetic component to homosexuality, so my guess is that there is also a genetic component here.

This does not say whether either behavior is right or wrong; we get that information elsewhere--for believers from the Bible.

[Josh]

I do have a question. Are pedophiles born that way?

According to the latest research, yes, most people have a fixed orientation. A small number of people have fluid orientations and can change. The same goes for other paraphilias such as people attracted to inanimate objects; psychiatrists have not been successful in finding ways to make these attractions/orientations go away in their patients.

(One particular case in the literature was a Canadian man who was oriented towards department store mannequins. He ended up banned from some chain like Sears as he’d keep trying to get jobs in such stores and then steal the mannequins. Treatment of him to change this was not successful.)

[temporal1]

I do have a question. Are pedophiles born that way?

They are claiming they are, it’s politically expedient to do so.
They want free access to everyone’s children, without pesky inconvenience of laws to interfere.

Be aware and reject any language that blurs lines between words like “men/women” and “children/teens/minors/dependents.” Language matters, legal language controls everyone’s lives.

It’s PATHETIC,
but today’s big fights are over controlling legal language to advance whatever agenda.
Truth is secondary. A distant second.

Children and teens are NOT small adults.

Homosexual males that abuse male children/teens are homosexual pedophiles.
Lesbian women who abuse female children/teens are lesbian pedophiles.

i’m not interested in the WOKE wannabe* perspective.
my suggestion is to reject the WOKE invitation, and accept Jesus’ invitation. Jesus’ is ‘way better.

Urban Dictionary defines "woke" as being aware, and "knowing what's going on in the community."
It also mentions its specific ties to racism and social injustice. Jan 11, 2016

*The definition of racism has morphed into being whatever accusers want it to be.
Many in the black community are complaining of its overuse, of its loss of meaning.

John 14:6
5“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”
6Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.
7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well.
From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”…

[Szdfan]

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Homosexual males that abuse male children/teens are homosexual pedophiles.
Lesbian women who abuse female children/teens are lesbian pedophiles.

What are straight people who abuse children called?

[temporal1]

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Homosexual males that abuse male children/teens are homosexual pedophiles.
Lesbian women who abuse female children/teens are lesbian pedophiles.

What are straight people who abuse children called?

Criminals.

Because they are in the majority population, it’s conventional not to be more specific.
It could be. It might be. It depends on what WOKE folks decide, doesn’t it?

[Josh]

Canada just led a movement to lower the age of consent for homosexual acts from 18 to 16.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/faq-ag ... -1.3851507

Make no mistake, the LGBT agenda is to eventually lower the age of consent for homosexuals and make it legal for them to prey on young teenaged boys.