Sasha Krause: Missing

[temporal1]

RZehr:
.. and completely contrary to what the Sheriffs department has said about the Farmington community. They called the police, after all. They need the police. ..

in informal discussion, it’s easy to shift between facts of a specific case, like this one, and general other ideas and opinions.

it appears RZehr is correct regarding Sasha’s case. i’m happy to say.

[Josh]

RZehr:
.. and completely contrary to what the Sheriffs department has said about the Farmington community. They called the police, after all. They need the police. ..

in informal discussion, it’s easy to shift between facts of a specific case, like this one, and general other ideas and opinions.

it appears RZehr is correct regarding Sasha’s case. i’m happy to say.

We have no idea if anyone is cooperating with the police in terms of investigating their fellow co-religionists.

[RZehr]

There is a lack of willingness to cooperate with police in investigating one of your own.

We have no idea if anyone is cooperating with the police in terms of investigating their fellow co-religionists.

So which is it?

[Josh]

There is a lack of willingness to cooperate with police in investigating one of your own.

We have no idea if anyone is cooperating with the police in terms of investigating their fellow co-religionists.

So which is it?

I don’t know any specifics for the Krause case.

The first statement above was me speaking generally. If you really want specifics, I’ll be glad to PM you details of our co-religionists refusing to cooperate with police or even actively interfering with an investigation or a jury.

[RZehr]

So is it safe to say for Josh, and RZehr, that we are not accusing someone of not cooperating with the Sasha investigation out of fear that a Mennonite is involved? While at the same time agreeing that there are situations where we would not cooperate?

Just last night I was in a discussion at home, and the man said that he told his boys that if they ever sexually abuse someone, he will call the police, and not protect them. The same man pulled the keys from a drunk, and drove the man home and gave the keys to the drunks family members. He did not call the police.
We are not anti-police. We are not pro-police. We are anti-sin and pro-righteousness.

[Josh]

So is it safe to say for Josh, and RZehr, that we are not accusing someone of not cooperating with the Sasha investigation out of fear that a Mennonite is involved? While at the same time agreeing that there are situations where we would not cooperate?

Just last night I was in a discussion at home, and the man said that he told his boys that if they ever sexually abuse someone, he will call the police, and not protect them. The same man pulled the keys from a drunk, and drove the man home and gave the keys to the drunks family members. He did not call the police.
We are not anti-police. We are not pro-police. We are anti-sin and pro-righteousness.

That’s good to hear.

Unfortunately it is far from the norm.

[Ken]

There is a lack of willingness to cooperate with police in investigating one of your own.

We have no idea if anyone is cooperating with the police in terms of investigating their fellow co-religionists.

So which is it?

I don’t know any specifics for the Krause case.

The first statement above was me speaking generally. If you really want specifics, I’ll be glad to PM you details of our co-religionists refusing to cooperate with police or even actively interfering with an investigation or a jury.

The police everywhere are pretty used to this from all manner of ethnic and social groups from inner cities where folks are afraid of being labeled “snitches” to clannish ethnic groups like Chinese immigrants or Central American immigrants who are just loath to talk to the police about anything.

Getting people to talk is what they do and are used to doing. I doubt Mennonites are particularly worse or different from any other group. Probably far less so. If they sniff out any leads in the Mennonite community I’m sure they will follow them and not be put off by people who are “reluctant” to talk. That’s their job.

[temporal1]

To add to Ken’s post. ^^^
Being a mother of teens is an education unto itself.
We lived in a small community, a village, big enough to have a police department, but nowhere near a city. One evening (ahem) the police came to our door with our teen who had been at a barn party we knew nothing about. Evidently, it was a fire hazard, i believe it. The entire high school might have been there, i don’t know.

Nothing happened, aside from the safe delivery home of our teen. We were speechless and humiliated, but, again, thankful it wasn’t anything worse.

In the moment, i don’t recall what i said, but i remember the officer saying, “If they are teens, they are lying.” i was pretty shocked at such a jaded generalization .. but, when i thot a moment about HIS pov, i decided i could accept his observation as “generally true.”

This particular small town, i thought, had pretty good police who attempted to be peace keepers more than aggressive law enforcers. Our teen could have gotten worse than a safe ride home.

Police have a challenge of not becoming overly jaded in their work. Not everyone is suited. Some have to take breaks, or even find alternative work.

They have to be prepared to deal with the most docile people to the most violent, with every call. They never know what mix will meet them.

i think they can be pretty certain many people, innocent or not, will be afraid, and will attempt to protect themselves and others for that reason, if not for worse reasons. it’s part of the job.

Then courts+judges have to sort things out later.

[steve-in-kville]

Not to cross post, but judging from social media, the locals are really turning the screws on the sheriff's office. People are not happy that this isn't a higher profile than it is.

[ohio jones]

Just an thought:
When there's a missing Mennonite, news spreads pretty quickly around the planet, by social media and paleomedia. Thousands of people are informed, hopefully spend some time in prayer about it, and hopefully don't spend much time gossiping or speculating about the situation (yeah, right ).

Most missing people don't have access to a network like that. A handful of family members and close friends are worried sick, and that's probably about it.

What would it look like if we spent more time becoming informed about missing non-Mennos in our communities, promoting awareness, praying, showing support for families, maybe even bugging law enforcement?