Opinion on the Roe v. Wade Leak

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.

Do you believe overturning Roe v. Wade be positive for the USA?

Yes
17
55%
No
4
13%
Don't know
10
32%
 
Total votes: 31

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Roe v Wade ??-Re: Bunny Trails

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i’m confused about the source of this post (Bunny Trails?) -
and, Falco, did you write all of this post below, or are there quotes within?? Is all of this your opinion?

great post, thank you. :wave:
Falco Underhill wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 12:59 am Okay, here's an update on the leaked draft and what it means for the things we've been discussing.

The leaked Supreme Court draft explicitly overturns Roe v Wade.
It thoroughly demolishes its arguments and explains why it was bad law, a naked power grab, and unworkable anyway.

It even quotes noted constitutional scholars, including liberal ones such as Laurence Tribe,
who argued in scholarly papers why it was bad law.

It explains why precedent is no guarantee a bad law can't be overturned and gives examples of when the Court overturned bad law before.

It deals directly with the substantive due process issue.
It saves the substantive due process doctrine by laying out standards for deciding when a right can be said to be protected by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment.

The standards are drawn directly from precedent.

Accordingly, it lays out that the Due Process Clause protects two categories of substantive rights.

1. Rights guaranteed by the first 8 amendments.
2. A select list of rights that are not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution.

For a right to fall into any of these 2 categories there are 2 conditions that must first be met.
The court must determine whether it is ...

1. deeply rooted in our history and traditions
2. essential to our nation's "scheme of ordered liberty."

These are the standards that must be applied to determine whether a right that is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution is nevertheless protected by the 14th Amendment.

The draft goes through the arguments made in Roe, thoroughly explaining why it failed to meet these standards.

I won't go further into the details of the arguments right now, but my opinion, as a nonexpert armchair lawyer? :)

As an authoritative precedent that the Court must follow from here on out it should serve as a pretty good check/restraint on judicial activism anywhere in the future.

Assuming this draft turns out to be the real thing, it's a brilliant decision. (Just my opinion.) :)

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“gratefyl.” haha. a typo turns into a moment of Olde English fun. :mrgreen:
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Re: Roe v Wade ??-Re: Bunny Trails

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temporal1 wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 8:17 am i’m confused about the source of this post (Bunny Trails?) -
and, Falco, did you write all of this post below, or are there quotes within?? Is all of this your opinion?

great post, thank you. :wave:
Yes, I thought I posted this in the Bunny Trails thread, but I suppose it's possible I accidentally posted it here. And yes, it's all my own opinion.

Thanks much, temp!
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It's not often that the bunny trail thread gets bunny trailed back to the original topic, but it happened here so I moved it.
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ohio jones wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 12:48 pm It's not often that the bunny trail thread gets bunny trailed back to the original topic, but it happened here so I moved it.
good call. 🐰

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As the congressman puts it, "wow"!
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GaryK wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 8:43 am https://twitter.
As the congressman puts it, "wow"!

[she/it] hasn’t mastered the use of plural-singular nouns-pronouns in one simple sentence.

for years, some have been pressing to allow “abortions” up to 2 years of age. they’re out there, all right, studying legal strategy, practicing public speaking. :roll: unnerving, knowing about the well-documented “terrible twos” stage. :shock:

after so often reading of abuse .. i used to have a fantasy of arming children. :-|
who is in more need of self-defense?
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Re: Opinion on the Roe v. Wade Leak

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GaryK wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 8:43 am

As the congressman puts it, "wow"!
She is totally drank-the-marxist-cool-aid-brainwashed!
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Wow. Not a real persuasive argument there. Are we sure that she isn't an undercover anti-abortion advocate? I mean the lack of morality and the lack of critical consideration is appalling.
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She didn't answer the question, because there actually is no consistent answer, as Peter Singer has argued.
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RZehr wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 1:25 pm Wow. Not a real persuasive argument there. Are we sure that she isn't an undercover anti-abortion advocate? I mean the lack of morality and the lack of critical consideration is appalling.

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Sorry. :-|
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