What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT

[Falco Knotwise]

From the article:

In sum, fascism is not only giver of laws and founder of institutions, but also educator and promoter of spiritual life. It wants to remake not the forms of human life, but their contents, man, character, faith.

In sum, fascism wants to remake man in its own image. Certainly what it shares in common with Marxism. Marxism explicitly wishes to create Socialist Man. Fascism explicitly wishes to create Fascist Man.

Neomarxism believes Communists had the right ideas, they just went about it the wrong way. ( And they still refuse to acknowledge Fascism basically had the same ideas.)

Neomarxism continues the tradition of trying to create man in an image of its own, but most especially obvious in the gender ideologies. However, it’s also manifested in radical feminism and Black Lives Matter and a hundred other woke movements today, too many to enumerate. They can all trace their philosophies to college professors, and they all have real world consequences.

Okay, enough. I’m getting off of this merry-go-round with you. You’ve made it clear ideologies are no big deal to you. I get it. It’s useless to try to convince you otherwise. I will give you the last word on this, and not respond no matter how provocatively you frame it.

Hopefully, what I’ve said here will be of use to some others who may actually be interested.

[temporal1]

Falco:
.. Hopefully, what I’ve said here will be of use to some others who may actually be interested.

The important part.
It’s easy to presume “no one’s interested” when dominant response is intentionally destructive, not of interest or even curiosity.
Many read without posting at all.

Example:
This topic has 616 views, 121 replies. This is typical, some topics have THOUSANDS of views, with few replies.
It causes one to wonder, who is reading, what are they thinking?

i don’t expect to ever know.

When i first began MD, my first internet forum, Robert pointed out that people with objections are most likely to respond,
those in agreement, nod and move along. (paraphrasing!) i think he’s correct.

fwiw:
i quoted you over here, P.10: viewtopic.php?t=1019&start=90
Thread views, 6778, posts, 96.

[Falco Knotwise]

What I would agree with is that the ideological extremes of right and left have a tendency to echo each other and that you might find elements of socialism in fascism and vice versa. However, Marxism's concept of class warfare is fundamentally not the same thing as the nationalistic fascist concept of "blood and soil."

Fundamentally different as in one is somehow better or less dangerous than the other?

If fascism was a political religion that manipulated people’s faith and built new identities based on race, it can be argued that Communism was a political religion that manipulated people’s faith and built new identities based on class.

They both sought to establish new collective identities.

Was the Communist tendency to murder millions based on class identity somehow less evil than the National Socialist tendency to murder based on racial identity?

Socialism and fascism are ideologies distinct from each other and do not come from the same ideological wellspring. While they are both ideological reactions to European industrialization, they are not branches from the same tree.

I argue that both Communism and Fascism each claimed to be descended from socialism, and that insofar as socialists did dabble in “reformism, revolutionism, and centrism,” they helped to provide an ideological framework to ideologues of both the left and right with equally devastating consequences.

The preferred political religion of the left was equally authoritarian and murderous as the right’s, so why the distinction between them as though only the right has authoritarian tendencies?

[Falco Knotwise]

Falco:
.. Hopefully, what I’ve said here will be of use to some others who may actually be interested.

The important part.
It’s easy to presume “no one’s interested” when dominant response is intentionally destructive, not of interest or even curiosity.
Many read without posting at all.

Example:
This topic has 616 views, 121 replies. This is typical, some topics have THOUSANDS of views, with few replies.
It causes one to wonder, who is reading, what are they thinking?

i don’t expect to ever know.

When i first began MD, my first internet forum, Robert pointed out that people with objections are most likely to respond,
those in agreement, nod and move along. (paraphrasing!) i think he’s correct.

fwiw:
i quoted you over here, P.10: viewtopic.php?t=1019&start=90
Thread views, 6778, posts, 96.

Ya know I keep saying I’m done with this and yet I keep coming back to it. My wife is right! I’m addicted to this stupid thing!

[Falco Knotwise]

From Wikipedia.

Giovanni Gentile (Italian: [dʒoˈvanni dʒenˈtiːle]; 30 May 1875 – 15 April 1944) was an Italian[4][5] philosopher, educator, and politician. Described by himself and by Benito Mussolini as the "philosopher of Fascism", he was influential in providing an intellectual foundation for Italian Fascism, and ghostwrote part of "The Doctrine of Fascism" (1932) with Mussolini. He was involved in the resurgence of Hegelian idealism in Italian philosophy and also devised his own system of thought, which he called "actual idealism" or "actualism", which has been described as "the subjective extreme of the idealist tradition".[6][7][8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile

Giovanni Gentile, a famous Hegelian scholar of his time who taught in several universities, co-wrote the 1932 article in the Italian Encyclopedia along with Benito Mussolini.

Note that among those who strongly influenced his thought were . . .

but also strongly influenced and mentored by the German idealist and materialist schools of thought – namely Karl Marx, Hegel, and Fichte

Note also that . . .

In 1922, Gentile was named Minister of Public Education for the government of Benito Mussolini.

Remember that any time someone tries to convince you that fascism had nothing whatsoever to do with Hegel’s philosophy and that it was flat out rejected by them. (Georg Lukács.)

Among the scholars Mussolini named as forerunners of fascist doctrine were several other Hegelian scholars. I haven’t got time to go back through it but they’re there.

This is the common tree from which the branches of both fascist and communist ideologies grew. After Hegel died his students split into what became known as the Hegelian Right and the Hegelian Left. The roots of both fascist and communist ideology can be traced back to the Hegelian tree.

[Falco Knotwise]

The New Man

Here’s an interesting Wikipedia article that lists various modern attempts to create New Men, to replace that poor creature that God created in his own image . . . .

1. The Nietzschean Übermensch

2. Liberal New Man

3. Utopian socialist New Man

4. Communist New Man

5. Fascist New Man

6. Transhumanist New Man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Man_(utopian_concept)

[temporal1]

Ya know I keep saying I’m done with this and yet I keep coming back to it. My wife is right! I’m addicted to this stupid thing!

Don’t think like that! If you’re addicted, then i’m guilty of .. not wanting you to overcome. i don’t like that idea.
i had to take a couple of weeks off, the news has been so intensely awful, esp since Oct 7, things were hitting so hard.
Nothing’s improved, i’m hoping to hold up better.

The thing about having children around is how, by nature, they force you to live in the moment. i miss that.

Your wife is not wrong. i don’t wanna think about it.

i wish HK would weigh in on these recent posts.

[Falco Knotwise]

Ya know I keep saying I’m done with this and yet I keep coming back to it. My wife is right! I’m addicted to this stupid thing!

Don’t think like that! If you’re addicted, then i’m guilty of .. not wanting you to overcome. i don’t like that idea.
i had to take a couple of weeks off, the news has been so intensely awful, esp since Oct 7, things were hitting so hard.
Nothing’s improved, i’m hoping to hold up better.

The thing about having children around is how, by nature, they force you to live in the moment. i miss that.

Your wife is not wrong. i don’t wanna think about it.

i wish HK would weigh in on these recent posts.

Me too! Where is HK?

[temporal1]

Search and Rescue

[Falco Knotwise]

So the part of your argument I can understand is that the SPD didn't coalition with the Nazis because they were rivals. What your argument doesn't address, however, is why the Nazis were able to coalition with right-wing nationalist populist parties like the DNVP and that Hitler received critical support from conservative politicians like von Hindenburg and von Papen if the Nazis were ideologically similar to the left-wing SPD and KPD.

That doesn’t seem too hard to understand. The Marxists were extreme anti-nationalists threatening a proletarian revolution to overthrow the government and take over businesses. Every advance made by socialists in terms of workers rights and better working conditions resulted in a better economy and a more satisfied population which was not acceptable to radical Marxists. They wanted a proletariat revolution not a satisfied population and national government, so they did everything they could to sabotage the gains, blame it on the government and continue to spread their anti nationalist propaganda and to agitate for a proletariat revolution.

They stirred anarchy in the streets and were destabilizing businesses. The government was unable to contain the anarchy.

A near exact parallel situation occurred in Italy. Just like in Italy when the fascists opposed violence with violence, the governments naturally went easy on the fascists. It must have been somewhat similar to the BLM riots in the U.S, which had the support of many in government, only in this case, the left had their support.

Under those circumstances I think it’s clear which side the conservatives would look on as possible allies.

The extreme nationalist ideologies of the time were a “reaction” to the extreme anti nationalism of fanatical Marxists.

My opinion: These were all people suffering an identity crisis since the split of Christendom, and trying to find an answer either in nationalism or in the anti nationalism of Marxism.

The radical ideologies were an attempt by those who had lost the faith to give meaning to their lives.