Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
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steve-in-kville
Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
Articles like that are hard to read, not because of what was committed but how people rally around a known perpetrator. Its a kick in the face to both the victims and their families.
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Soloist
Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
I would agree, but I think one needs to be careful to avoid assuming everyone is like this.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:06 pm Articles like that are hard to read, not because of what was committed but how people rally around a known perpetrator. Its a kick in the face to both the victims and their families.
I don't assume all catholic priests are abusers...
I don't assume all Amish/Mennonites cover up sin.
I personally know of two cases were there was zero attempt to cover it up. The problem though is that while well intended, sometimes the impact to the victim isn't always understood well. The victim I'm thinking of, felt blamed even though I doubt anyone ever told them that. The guilt of speaking up and causing someone to go to prison... They won't see that person again for 27 years and the impact to the church damaged many ties without meaning to.
None of this justifies the sin, and while the response might have been appropriate, there is still fallout.
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steve-in-kville
Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
Yeah, I have to remind myself of that sometimes.
One thing we learned in our situation is that everyone is a victim, and yes even the perpetrator in a sense. I tried extra hard to be supportive of my daughter when a lot of other people made her out to be the "bad guy." I keep having tom remind her she did the right thing by speaking up. She still suffered emotionally from that.
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Ken
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Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
"Rally around" is actually just a euphemism for "Criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice" and "accessory after the fact." Which are crimes in every state in the country.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:06 pm Articles like that are hard to read, not because of what was committed but how people rally around a known perpetrator. Its a kick in the face to both the victims and their families.
Yes, not every Catholic or Mennonite is guilty of this sort of thing. Clearly not. But those who are complicit are actual criminals, whether they have been charged or not.
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steve-in-kville
Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
I had no idea who your were referring to. Then I re-read my post....
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Ernie
Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
Yes, I felt sick the evening I read that blog post. I went and got Harold Herr's book and burnt it.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:06 pm Articles like that are hard to read, not because of what was committed but how people rally around a known perpetrator. Its a kick in the face to both the victims and their families.
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Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
It makes me angry to read that some people made your daughter out to be the "bad guy." I had that experience too. Thank you for reminding your daughter that she did the right thing by speaking up.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:30 pmYeah, I have to remind myself of that sometimes.
One thing we learned in our situation is that everyone is a victim, and yes even the perpetrator in a sense. I tried extra hard to be supportive of my daughter when a lot of other people made her out to be the "bad guy." I keep having tom remind her she did the right thing by speaking up. She still suffered emotionally from that.
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steve-in-kville
Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
Its not fun to get a call from her school guidance counselor telling me my daughter is having suicidal thoughts because her grandmother blamed her for "tearing the family apart."
Not cool.
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Re: Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle
steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:09 amIts not fun to get a call from her school guidance counselor telling me my daughter is having suicidal thoughts because her grandmother blamed her for "tearing the family apart."
Not cool.![]()
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No half-heartedness and no worldly fear must turn us aside from following the light unflinchingly. --J.R.R. Tolkien
When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't crawl - when you can't do that...you find someone to carry you. --Firefly
When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't crawl - when you can't do that...you find someone to carry you. --Firefly