temporal1 wrote:
These things are numerous, huge, and ugly. There are many across Illinois farm fields.
"Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. I like them. Open-pit coal mines and mountain top removal that they replace--that's ugly!
There is always a price.
i was impressed with and interested in wind turbine farms, until i started seeing them cover vast areas, AND, until i read about cost to birds+bats, otherwise under terrific legal protections.
Add both the production of fiberglass, and eventual need to bury fiberglass, no composting.
Dandelions are beautiful - until there are too many.
temporal1 wrote:
These things are numerous, huge, and ugly. There are many across Illinois farm fields.
"Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. I like them. Open-pit coal mines and mountain top removal that they replace--that's ugly!
There is always a price.
i was impressed with and interested in wind turbine farms, until i started seeing them cover vast areas, AND, until i read about cost to birds+bats, otherwise under terrific legal protections.
Add both the production of fiberglass, and eventual need to bury fiberglass, no composting.
Dandelions are beautiful - until there are too many.
I hadn't known until reading this article that some are fiberglass. I did see one on fire once, and wondered how that could be. I don't know why I didn't think that it might be made of something other than metal. (I always thought aluminum.)
JimFoxvog wrote:
"Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. I like them. Open-pit coal mines and mountain top removal that they replace--that's ugly!
There is always a price.
i was impressed with and interested in wind turbine farms, until i started seeing them cover vast areas, AND, until i read about cost to birds+bats, otherwise under terrific legal protections.
Add both the production of fiberglass, and eventual need to bury fiberglass, no composting.
Dandelions are beautiful - until there are too many.
I hadn't known until reading this article that some are fiberglass. I did see one on fire once, and wondered how that could be. I don't know why I didn't think that it might be made of something other than metal. (I always thought aluminum.)
The article you posted on the previous page described them, they are a combination of materials.
i did not know about the fiberglass before, but, it makes sense.
Neto wrote:Figured I'd just drop this in here.
Ecology is not exactly to do with this thread, but those wind farms are a blight on the landscape.
I hope they don't put up any more of them.
There are some shorter clips of this guy. I posted the 45 minute one. It has more details. I will be looking to check out his book. Inconvenient Facts by Gregory Wrightstone. He covers a lot of the facts that I have shared over the years. Feel free to find a shorter Youtube clip of him if you don't feel the need to watch 45 minutes.
That is according to Professor William Happer of Princeton University. The renowned physicist says when it comes to carbon dioxide, there’s more good than bad. He goes on to say most of carbon dioxide’s effect has already happened. He points to the logarithmic dependence of temperature on carbon dioxide levels.
Happer says the unique properties of carbon dioxide mean that current levels would need to double for another one-degree increase in temperature and they’d have to double again for another one degree rise.
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I think I am funnier than I really am.
Sad to think, Prof Happer’s reputation, employment, possibly his life, are at risk for his observations.
Authentic scientists review all possibilities without prejudice - as Wayne in Maine and others describe throughout this thread.
The intolerant “My way or the highway!” presentation (flourished with dire threats) inspires distrust, esp among those who have been down those sorts of garden paths before.
temporal1 wrote:Sad to think, Prof Happer’s reputation, employment, possibly his life, are at risk for his observations.
Authentic scientists review all possibilities without prejudice - as Wayne in Maine and others describe throughout this thread.
Certainly his reputation has been very low for quite a while. Part of the reason is his funding.
In 2015, Happer co-founded the CO2 Coalition, a nonprofit that advocates for carbon dioxide, calling it “vital” to life on earth and important to crop growth.
The CO2 Coalition receives funding from the Mercer family, a top Trump donor that also gave more than $2m to organisations denying climate science in 2016. The group receives money from the billionaire conservative industrialists, Charles and David Koch too. https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-crisis
appleman2006 wrote:But nobody ever talks about where many pro climate change scientists get their funding. Or the fact that much if their data continues to be fudged.
Careful, might be getting close to a hate crime...
