Global Warning/Climate Change

[temporal1]

Here is a documentary that really goes into much more detail. 50 minutes, but well worth the watch.

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i will view.
my memory falters, but, if i recall, there are a few very-logical, not “innovative” wildly expensive big-tech-dependent, methods added to this thread. one was about planting oranges/orange waste over vast areas that then grew into lush vegetation, another was about herds of animals on the U.S. Great Plains (which may sync with these current videos). not sure.

111 pages is intimidating to review.

it would be nice if these logical-resourceful posts could find a home thread.
one big method can be effective, but, it seems there is agreement that healthy stewardship
(as described in scriptures) would include every level of stewardship, from individuals not personally littering, to these big ideas like this one that hopes to address increases in desertification.

the notion that big tech, funded from the public treasury, is the only conscientious way, or you “hate the planet” needs to end. it’s a lie, and a tool of the very-greedy, and, not-necessarily-correct.

God created all. He provided His ways to overcome sins.

[Sudsy]

I haven't followed the 111 pages on this thread and don't know if this comment has already been said but if not, one of my observations, agreed with or not -

I believe fear of hell (as in non-ending torment) has been used quite heavily in evangelism in the last couple centuries as fear often does get people to act. I think fear that climate change will soon destroy our planet has also been used now for a few decades, especially for political purposes, to also get people to act. Fear is said to be the most powerful motivator of all. Daily news topics use fear constantly as they know it's power.

Someone counted there are 365 times in the bible where it says to not be afraid. Hmmm, one for each day of the year. We are told as believers not to 'hitch our wagon' to fear but rather to trust. Don't become anxious, stay calm. Let the peace of God rule in our hearts and minds. Don't be anxious about anything. Our upside down Kingdom is opposite to the mindsets of the kingdoms of this world.

But there also is a 'good fear' and that is 'the fear of the Lord' which brings godly wisdom. Fear of God refers to a specific sense of respect, awe, and submission to Him. This 'godly fear' keeps us from evil as we trust and obey.

So, I see a fear of what climate changes mean to the future of this planet as a type of fear I don't need to have. God is more powerful than what man could ever do to this world. I can have peace of mind regardless of what might appear to be happening. We are safe in the shelter of His arms. But that doesn't mean I should not treat our world with respect and good stewardship.

Well, thats my 2 cents. Amazing to me this topic has so many pages.

[temporal1]

Sudsy:
.. So, I see a fear of what climate changes mean to the future of this planet as a type of fear I don't need to have.

God is more powerful than what man could ever do to this world.
I can have peace of mind regardless of what might appear to be happening. We are safe in the shelter of His arms.

But that doesn't mean I should not treat our world with respect and good stewardship.

i would prefer Dr. Savory would not have framed his observations and suggestions in fear; i suppose, he or others involved felt the need to do so, in my view, a distraction, but, for me, his message is “good enough” it overcomes. he has good content.

i’m going to start another thread, starting with these posts on Page 110-111, i hope others with better memories and/or search skills will add to it. i think there are good ideas out-there that well reflect God’s intent for us to employ conscientious planetary stewardship.

”Practical planetary stewardship ideas”
http://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2377

i do not intend to imply “technology is bad!” no.
technology is used in these logical responses, for instance, satellite photography.

i think many are lost when threats of, “it MUST be our way, or DEATH!” - plus, “our way” just happens to guarantee billions+billions of public monies to those threatening, while those threatening give up NONE of their own wasteful indulgences .. this does not resonate in the peanut gallery.

[temporal1]

Robert, if you do not care for the new thread, please remove it. Not a problem.
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[Robert]

So, I see a fear of what climate changes mean to the future of this planet as a type of fear I don't need to have. God is more powerful than what man could ever do to this world. I can have peace of mind regardless of what might appear to be happening. We are safe in the shelter of His arms.

Eco-anxiety is a growing fear. You could easily hear it in some of the speeches Friday.

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And 16 year olds seem to have all the answers and feel they have to scream at the adults in the room.

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Here is an overview of the protests this past week.

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[temporal1]

So, I see a fear of what climate changes mean to the future of this planet as a type of fear I don't need to have. God is more powerful than what man could ever do to this world. I can have peace of mind regardless of what might appear to be happening. We are safe in the shelter of His arms.

Eco-anxiety is a growing fear. You could easily hear it in some of the speeches Friday.
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And 16 year olds seem to have all the answers and feel they have to scream at the adults in the room.
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Here is an overview of the protests this past week.
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It’s grim to witness the fear-mongering of children, teens, young adults, they are a
captive audience tied to their government school seats. i grieve what i witness, now IRL.

It’s shameless, knowing today’s high suicide rates, now these young ones are being groomed to formally sacrifice their own families, being told this is the honorable choice - the very children who are already not reproducing in sufficient numbers to maintain their populations.

This is a deliberately-imposed psychological Dark Ages. For what? Greed and vanities of some men.
Will God have mercy? Could He?

Page 3 / “Science and faith” / General Theology / “Christian Truth in an Age of Scientific Mythology”
http://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php ... 3&start=20

.. What is the leading cause of violent death worldwide? Is it war, or homicide? It’s neither.
According to the World Health Organization, the leading cause of violent deaths is suicide,
which is roughly twice as common as homicide and seven times more common than death from violent conflict.

In many ways we live in our own Dark Ages, an era of despair.
Never have so many, with so much, been so unhappy. Science can show us how to live longer, but it cannot show us how we ought to live or even that we ought to live.

Science itself is a great good and a great gift.
It is not and never has been an enemy of religion.

What is harmful to religion, and not only to religion but to science itself, is what I have called
Scientific Mythology and Scientific Triumphalism.

These are cultural phenomena that do not stem from the discoveries of science but from the vanity of some scientists who are unable to put science in proper perspective.

i’ve quickly reviewed the first 50-ish pages of this thread. Some interesting discussions!
In approx. Pages 30-50, Wayne in Maine contributed many good points, appleman, Wade, i do not regret the review. i recommend it!

i’ll continue, ‘cause, i think there are some good examples of apolitical common sense approaches in here somewhere .. i hope i’m not thinking of another thread.

[Neto]

Figured I'd just drop this in here. Ecology is not exactly to do with this thread, but those wind farms are a blight on the landscape. I hope they don't put up any more of them.

https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/content/n ... O28dIR_vbw

[temporal1]

Figured I'd just drop this in here.
Ecology is not exactly to do with this thread, but those wind farms are a blight on the landscape.
I hope they don't put up any more of them.

https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/content/n ... O28dIR_vbw

Caspar, Wyoming
.. “Expect to see more blades come to the landfill at least until the end of next spring as more turbines are replaced or decommissioned.”

These things are numerous, huge, and ugly. There are many across Illinois farm fields.

How can anyone look at them without marveling at the future SALVAGE business and long-term waste storage (burial) they represent? Not to mention the initial production-construction,
(fossil fuel) transportation, installation costs.

Deaths of birds and bats.
Eagles have made significant comeback since “Silent Spring,” evidently, so much so, they can now be written-off as collateral damage - ahem, for the acceptable PC cause.

Wear blinders, don’t think about it in any balanced manner.

[JimFoxvog]

These things are numerous, huge, and ugly. There are many across Illinois farm fields.

"Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. I like them. Open-pit coal mines and mountain top removal that they replace--that's ugly!

[Mountain Merle]

Solar is knocking on the door of our neighborhood. The two farms that join our sawmill location are in talks with a solar company to put 500 to 600 acres in solar panels. I'm not a scientist and not all that smart otherwise, but I have some questions. Sure, that is a lot of "free" energy from the sun. Of course, the panels aren't free, the lease payment to the landowners isn't free and the sun isn't always shining.
But beyond that, I wonder how values of saved carbon emissions (from the "free" solar energy, as compared to natural gas or coal) would compare to the carbon intake if that 600 acres was instead planted in trees. Not to mention, the trees would be giving off oxygen, which won't happen with the solar panels. Is it possible that "going green" might not be as green as one might think? Any scientists out there that can weigh in on this?