US Attacks Iran 2026

[Szdfan]

barnhart:
The madness is sending the vice President when there have been no negotiations, only demands.

You’re speaking with certainty i don’t have.

(In my life) i never believe the public has all facts, i believe even small facts can make big differences. After all, my elders, and reading about WWII, there was a well-known phrase, “loose lips sink ships” people took it seriously. i daresay the vast majority didn’t want to harm or have harm come their way. Today, words fly with abandon, egos and hubris are maximized, it’s an open competition.

Simultaneously, i believe much of media, many individuals, an entire political party is driven to interpret everything that’s said or done by T or anyone remotely associated with him as evil and unacceptable, shocking, scandalous, past the point of self-harm and overall harm to the U.S.

That’s a significant and deliberate stumbling block. Also, disturbing to witness.

Perhaps a question could be what can the US offer Iran that Iran could reasonably expect to remain available or in effect.

i think i understand and agree, could you clarify?

I agree we don’t have all the facts. But at some point we still have to evaluate decisions based on what we do know and the likely consequences. Waiting for perfect information can mean we never evaluate anything at all. And if we never evaluate anything, we can never hold leadership accountable.

[temporal1]

barnhart:
The madness is sending the vice President when there have been no negotiations, only demands.

You’re speaking with certainty i don’t have.

(In my life) i never believe the public has all facts, i believe even small facts can make big differences. After all, my elders, and reading about WWII, there was a well-known phrase, “loose lips sink ships” people took it seriously. i daresay the vast majority didn’t want to harm or have harm come their way. Today, words fly with abandon, egos and hubris are maximized, it’s an open competition.

Simultaneously, i believe much of media, many individuals, an entire political party is driven to interpret everything that’s said or done by T or anyone remotely associated with him as evil and unacceptable, shocking, scandalous, past the point of self-harm and overall harm to the U.S.

That’s a significant and deliberate stumbling block. Also, disturbing to witness.

Perhaps a question could be what can the US offer Iran that Iran could reasonably expect to remain available or in effect.

i think i understand and agree, could you clarify?

I agree we don’t have all the facts. But at some point we still have to evaluate decisions based on what we do know and the likely consequences. Waiting for perfect information can mean we never evaluate anything at all. And if we never evaluate anything, we can never hold leadership accountable.

i don’t disagree. except about timing.
today’s timing strikes me as not only preemptive, but preemptive with intent to harm. harm as badly as possible.

i don’t believe all outcomes are known instantly - or are predictable. thus, rushing to judge prevents understandng with more fullness, the fullness of time. “time” isn’t a rigid number.

social media teaches time is “no time”. i doubt that’s gonna hold up (over time).

a quick thought about older cultures and faiths reflects more balance about time. the western culture is still very young.
admirable in ways, still impulsive and headstrong.

i’m definitely part of the immature west i was born into. i look at other cultures and faiths. not look to, look at.

i thnk war is madness

[Szdfan]

You’re speaking with certainty i don’t have.

(In my life) i never believe the public has all facts, i believe even small facts can make big differences. After all, my elders, and reading about WWII, there was a well-known phrase, “loose lips sink ships” people took it seriously. i daresay the vast majority didn’t want to harm or have harm come their way. Today, words fly with abandon, egos and hubris are maximized, it’s an open competition.

Simultaneously, i believe much of media, many individuals, an entire political party is driven to interpret everything that’s said or done by T or anyone remotely associated with him as evil and unacceptable, shocking, scandalous, past the point of self-harm and overall harm to the U.S.

That’s a significant and deliberate stumbling block. Also, disturbing to witness.

i think i understand and agree, could you clarify?

I agree we don’t have all the facts. But at some point we still have to evaluate decisions based on what we do know and the likely consequences. Waiting for perfect information can mean we never evaluate anything at all. And if we never evaluate anything, we can never hold leadership accountable.

i don’t disagree. except about timing.
today’s timing strikes me as not only preemptive, but preemptive with intent to harm. harm as badly as possible.

i don’t believe all outcomes are known instantly - or are predictable. thus, rushing to judge prevents understandng with more fullness, the fullness of time. “time” isn’t a rigid number.

social media teaches time is “no time”. i doubt that’s gonna hold up (over time).

a quick thought about older cultures and faiths reflects more balance about time. the western culture is still very young.
admirable in ways, still impulsive and headstrong.

i’m definitely part of the immature west i was born into. i look at other cultures and faiths. not look to, look at.

i thnk war is madness

I understand the concern about rushing to judgment. But I’m not sure how we avoid that becoming a reason to delay judgment indefinitely. Decisions are being made now, and they have real consequences now. If we wait until everything is fully known, there’s no meaningful opportunity to respond or hold anyone accountable.

When is it not “too soon” anymore?

[Valerie]

I agree we don’t have all the facts. But at some point we still have to evaluate decisions based on what we do know and the likely consequences. Waiting for perfect information can mean we never evaluate anything at all. And if we never evaluate anything, we can never hold leadership accountable.

i don’t disagree. except about timing.
today’s timing strikes me as not only preemptive, but preemptive with intent to harm. harm as badly as possible.

i don’t believe all outcomes are known instantly - or are predictable. thus, rushing to judge prevents understandng with more fullness, the fullness of time. “time” isn’t a rigid number.

social media teaches time is “no time”. i doubt that’s gonna hold up (over time).

a quick thought about older cultures and faiths reflects more balance about time. the western culture is still very young.
admirable in ways, still impulsive and headstrong.

i’m definitely part of the immature west i was born into. i look at other cultures and faiths. not look to, look at.

i thnk war is madness

I understand the concern about rushing to judgment. But I’m not sure how we avoid that becoming a reason to delay judgment indefinitely. Decisions are being made now, and they have real consequences now. If we wait until everything is fully known, there’s no meaningful opportunity to respond or hold anyone accountable.

When is it not “too soon” anymore?

When they are close to nuking whomever they want.

[Valerie]

Start at the 4 min to lead into a pastor from Lebanon (who by the way wrote a book on reaching Muslims for Christ)
He actually has some knowledge on this-

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i ... 0762483735

[temporal1]

Szd:
indefinitely

a funny word i didn’t use.
i wrote, “‘time’ isn’t a rigid number.“

(for me) operative words are, “with intent to harm”.
true whether wanting quick time or measured.

God’s time is always perfect. Not always painless. our time is up for debate.

God’s time can be instant, or seemingly very lengthy.

With all our (silly) machinations, tho, God prevails.

[Ernie]

Did a dozen ships with Iranian goods slip through the strait or didn't they?

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5841 ... -blockade/

[Bootstrap]

The madness is sending the vice President when there have been no negotiations, only demands.

And never with people in the room who have any background or understanding in the basic issues - nuclear energy, how to monitor uranium production etc., the history and culture of the region, etc. Normally, both sides have large groups of experts who understand the details and can work things through. And time to do it.

Instead, we announce "negotiations", send the same social media stars once more, and are shocked when negotiations take more than 24 hours.

While threatening things like annihilating their civilization or sending them back to the stone age.

How is that negotiating? How would we respond if other countries did that to us?

[Bootstrap]

Perhaps a question could be what can the US offer Iran that Iran could reasonably expect to remain available or in effect.

The U.S. is pretty much the only country that can persuade or control Israel.

But Netanyahu seems to be persuading and controlling Trump in this case.

[Bootstrap]

Perhaps a question could be what can the US offer Iran that Iran could reasonably expect to remain available or in effect.

Because Trump feels free to change whatever "deal" he reached after the fact at any time for any reason.

So what is the value of a deal?