Charlie Kirk Shot

[Valerie]

It's odd to me that the most outspoken against guns political party is also the one committing the most in-house assassination attempts with them.

Republicans?

The vast majority of political violence in the past several years has come from the right. This has been studied and documented. But I'm not sure that all right-wing extremists are Republicans. Some are though.

What planet are you on? Dens have become.the party of violence, no matter what some bogus study reveals.
Anyway not the time or place to argue when someone has just been assassinated.

[mike]

This thread is about the current event. Please don't use it for political debate. Obviously it's about a political figure, so it's hard not to get into all that, but if you want to debate guns yet again, take it to an appropriate thread.

[temporal1]

God have mercy.

[Dan Z]

I'm heartbroken for Kirk's wife and young children, and for what feels like a growing sickness within American society.

[mike]

In the 1960s there were multiple political assassinations in the US. Have there really been any since then? Charlie Kirk's killing, while obviously not that of a political leader, feels like something almost in the category of those kinds of events. We've had the attempts - Reagan and Trump. But nothing successful since then, till now, at least that I can think of.

These kinds of assassinations are nothing new in US history. If nothing else, it is amazing that there haven't been more attempts when you consider how controversial politicians and politically-related figures put on public events and speeches all the time.

[Ken]

In the 1960s there were multiple political assassinations in the US. Have there really been any since then? Charlie Kirk's killing, while obviously not that of a political leader, feels like something almost in the category of those kinds of events. We've had the attempts - Reagan and Trump. But nothing successful since then, till now, at least that I can think of.

These kinds of assassinations are nothing new in US history. If nothing else, it is amazing that there haven't been more attempts when you consider how controversial politicians and politically-related figures put on public events and speeches all the time.

Just three months ago we had the assassination of two MN state legislators. Did you forget that?
There was the firebombing of the PA governor's mansion in April
There was the shooting of Israeli embassy officials outside the Jewish museum in DC in May
There was the shooting of the United Health Care CEO last December

And that's just off the top of my head in the past 9 months or so.

[mike]

In the 1960s there were multiple political assassinations in the US. Have there really been any since then? Charlie Kirk's killing, while obviously not that of a political leader, feels like something almost in the category of those kinds of events. We've had the attempts - Reagan and Trump. But nothing successful since then, till now, at least that I can think of.

These kinds of assassinations are nothing new in US history. If nothing else, it is amazing that there haven't been more attempts when you consider how controversial politicians and politically-related figures put on public events and speeches all the time.

Just three months ago we had the assassination of two MN state legislators. Did you forget that?
There was the firebombing of the PA governor's mansion in April
There was the shooting of Israeli embassy officials outside the Jewish museum in DC in May
There was the shooting of the United Health Care CEO last December

And that's just off the top of my head in the past 9 months or so.

Yes, I did forget about those.

[Thomas_muntzer]

While giving a speech at the University of Utah, where he was a regular attendee, Charlie Kirk, 31, took to the stage where moments later he was attacked by an assassin who disrupted the tranquility of the campus. Kirk was shot at 200 yards, struck by a bullet, and died 20 minutes later. His body will be transferred to the cemetery, amid the grief and condemnation of leaders, students, and Americans in general.

Although some testimonies mention a young man who fled as the perpetrators of the crime, questions remain about who, why, and for what purpose Kirk, a well-known journalist and political commentator, was murdered.

[Thomas_muntzer]

Charlie Kirk himself on the subject of school shootings

Are you blaming the victim ?

This is not the flex you think it is this university is a gun free zone if something this only give mora arguments in favor of open carry policies

[Robert]

That's a bloodless, unthoughtful response.

I agree. It was Charlie Kirk's exact and repeated response to the problem of school shootings when they occurred. Instead of proposing any solutions. For example, these are his words (emphasis mine): https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-s ... nt-1793113

Charlie Kirk, the conservative founder and president of Turning Point USA, said during an organizational event on Wednesday that gun deaths in exchange for the preservation of Second Amendment rights is part of America’s reality.

Kirk’s comments come about one week after three children and three adults were killed at the Christian Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee.

The Nashville mass shooting was the 130th mass shooting in the United States in 2023, according to the Gun Violence Archive, an online database of gun violence incidents across America using data collected from law enforcement, media, government and commercial sources.

The U.S. has averaged more than one mass shooting per day since the start of 2023, per the archive, which puts the nation on track to exceed the 647 recorded mass shootings of 2022. . . .

“You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death,” Kirk said at a Turning Point USA Faith event on Wednesday, as reported by Media Matters for America. “That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But I am—I think it’s worth it.

“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational

Utah is an open carry state with guns allowed on college campuses: https://publicsafety.utah.edu/home-safe ... on-campus/

Show some respect. Now is NOT the time.