Refugees, Migrants, International Scholars, and other Immigrants

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
JohnH
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Re: Refugees, Migrants, International Scholars, and other Immigrants

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Bootstrap wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:55 pm
JohnH wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 9:12 am The numbers appear to be wrong… from this source...
Maybe, but when I spot-checked them against a few sources, they seemed to agree with their sources.

Different sources count different things and come up with different numbers. The two you provided give two different numbers.

It would take time for you or me or Ernie to compare them and see if the actually disagree or not. Maybe someone has time to do that work and show the result. I do not. But it involves taking the categories, seeing which years were counted, looking to see where they got their information from, seeing if the numbers agree for a given category in a given year ...
I gave two sources.. the first one detailed out both legally documented and undocumented immigrants... the second one concerned "non immigrants" but who are here nonetheless who live on work visas, etc.

The information sources for both of those looked good quality to me. The first one is a non profit concerned with serving the needs of both documented and undocumented immigrants. That would seem to be very much in line with the original question Ernie asked.

The second one, is from official government data about "non immigrants". These are also an important group of people to consider. They may be here on work visas or student visas.

But... if you want to talk total number of immigrants... why not ask the U.S. census...

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/ ... -live.html
April 09, 2024

The number of foreign-born people in the United States rose by more than 5 million over 10 years to 45.3 million or 13.7% of the nation's population, according to the 2018-2022 5-year American Community Survey (ACS) estimates.

Immigrants made up over a fifth of the population in four states: California (26.5%), New Jersey (23.2%), New York (22.6%) and Florida (21.1%).
I would trust the U.S. Census over some kind of AI thing. It appears there are a lot of immigrants in America and so lots of "doors of opportunity can be used to advance the kingdom of God". Why argue about this??
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Bootstrap
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Re: Refugees, Migrants, International Scholars, and other Immigrants

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JohnH wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:22 pm But... if you want to talk total number of immigrants... why not ask the U.S. census...

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/ ... -live.html
April 09, 2024

The number of foreign-born people in the United States rose by more than 5 million over 10 years to 45.3 million or 13.7% of the nation's population, according to the 2018-2022 5-year American Community Survey (ACS) estimates.

Immigrants made up over a fifth of the population in four states: California (26.5%), New Jersey (23.2%), New York (22.6%) and Florida (21.1%).
Sure - but Ernie's question was about the total number of new immigrants in the last decade, which is a different number.
JohnH wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:22 pmI would trust the U.S. Census over some kind of AI thing. It appears there are a lot of immigrants in America and so lots of "doors of opportunity can be used to advance the kingdom of God". Why argue about this??
Did you check the links that showed the sources of these numbers? They seemed authoritative to me. Did you add them up to see if they match? I did that for a few sources, and they seemed to match. If you find that the sources are not authoritative, or that the numbers do not agree with what the sources said, please let me know. And please show your work.

Until then ... ::shrug::
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