Atheist declares there are only two sexes

[Soloist]

When you blend the definition the world uses for gender with the definition of sex, you end up with abstract thought and no truth.

[Ken]

When you blend the definition the world uses for gender with the definition of sex, you end up with abstract thought and no truth.

The point is that there is no black and white "truth" when it comes to this subject.

Biologically speaking there is no a single male/female dichotomy based on chromosomes as you yourself acknowledge. And chromosomes are nothing more than genetic blueprint. How they express themselves can vary greatly based on environmental factors. Not just for sex traits, but every trait. This happens naturally, not just as a result of artificial hormones. Not everyone is a fertile male or fertile female. And not everyone develops the secondary sex characteristics normally associated with their chromosomes.

Psychologically speaking there is no single black and white dichotomy between male and female either in terms of sexual orientation or gender identity.

And socially speaking there is no single black and white dichotomy or "truth" between male and female. What are male roles and what are female roles, etc.

That is the world we live in. Life is complicated. I just don't find it threatening. Nor am I threatened by people who, for whatever reason, don't conform to my own preconceived expectations or those of society. I think in 2023 we should be a mature and free enough society to basically leave people alone when it comes to such deeply personal questions. There are a lot of things I don't want my government intervening in such as faith, artistic expression, freedom of movement, freedom of association, child rearing, choice of profession, etc. etc. And I put deeply personal questions of sexual or gender identity into that same category. I don't see it as any of the government's business. Or anyone else's business for that matter.

[Sliceitup]

So what is your ONE SENTENCE all-encompassing definition of male and your ONE SENTENCE all-encompassing definition of female?

Male is someone who has a Y chromosome with or without X chromosome.
Female is someone who has an X chromosome without a Y chromosome.
Intersex is someone who contains both XX and XY.

Go ahead and try to define it without chromosomes.

PAIS and CAIS don’t fit into your definition. They are fully XY but usually are considered female.

[RZehr]

The thing is, people used to be content to let the very few intersex born people alone to be whatever they ended up being - male or female, one or the other.
Christians, atheists, people in general were fine with that. Nowadays, we have an elephant of gender perversion, trying to hide behind an ant of intersex, trying to confuse folks, and make the issue oblique as possible, in order to propel society into further perversion. We see you there. You're not hidden, nor confusing the wise.

Remember that old canard, “gay people are born that way”? That was because people had a level of acceptance for people born a certain way - such as intersex.
But my goodness, haven’t we left that argument of “born this way” in the dust. Now everyone gets to choose a sexual “identity” based on feelings. Are they even looking for a “gay gene” anymore?

Big difference between born intersex, and child sexual mutilation.

[Josh]

It is utterly absurd to act like CAIS people have anything at all to do with the modern cross-dressing transsexual.

[Soloist]

The point is that there is no black and white "truth" when it comes to this subject.

Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Biologically speaking there is no a single male/female dichotomy based on chromosomes as you yourself acknowledge. And chromosomes are nothing more than genetic blueprint. How they express themselves can vary greatly based on environmental factors. Not just for sex traits, but every trait. This happens naturally, not just as a result of artificial hormones. Not everyone is a fertile male or fertile female. And not everyone develops the secondary sex characteristics normally associated with their chromosomes.

I pointed out there is a very rare exception to male/female distinction. Male or female is determined from the moment the the genetic material merges. How it develops is dependent on other factors. Those secondary characteristics do not determine male or female.

Psychologically speaking there is no single black and white dichotomy between male and female either in terms of sexual orientation or gender identity.

Both of those involve a highly flexible mind, and neither is fixed as any would insist, and some have greater issues to overcome then others. This isn’t to say that they are somehow more evil than any other sinner. I’m not claiming that in this life, these temptations will cease, but they need to be laid down at the cross.

And socially speaking there is no single black and white dichotomy or "truth" between male and female. What are male roles and what are female roles, etc.

Isn’t it interesting that determining someone’s gender is often based on clothing or socially determined items? If I like wearing woman’s clothing and sewing, if I was to ask a transgender advocate if that meant I was a woman, they would reply with the affirmative. Likewise, if a woman expresses discomfort with body changes, expresses jealousy for masculine safety, or likes stereotypically masculine things, they also often would be told the same thing.

That is the world we live in. Life is complicated. I just don't find it threatening. Nor am I threatened by people who, for whatever reason, don't conform to my own preconceived expectations or those of society. I think in 2023 we should be a mature and free enough society to basically leave people alone when it comes to such deeply personal questions. There are a lot of things I don't want my government intervening in such as faith, artistic expression, freedom of movement, freedom of association, child rearing, choice of profession, etc. etc. And I put deeply personal questions of sexual or gender identity into that same category. I don't see it as any of the government's business. Or anyone else's business for that matter.

It’s not my business to dictate society rules or to advocate law changes. I too believe in freedom of religion, and don’t think we can force change on nonbelievers. It is my business to teach truth of what God said. These people are confused, misled or defiant; and they all deserve the same thing we do without the mercy of God. Too often, conservative Christians show hatred for these people or mock them, which is not the example of Jesus. Their sin is no worse then mine or yours, but all must be repented of to enter the kingdom of God.
I see many people hurt by lgbtq ideology, and while I disagree with some of their conclusions, I still have compassion on them. Society’s broadening of definitions is expected, but not something the church should ever compromise on. We are the guide to the kingdom of God. Dare we mislead more? When God says one thing and then man justifies another… who is right in the end? May God be the judge of Truth.

When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 3:18

[Soloist]

PAIS and CAIS don’t fit into your definition. They are fully XY but usually are considered female.

Considered by who? Please provide the actual disorders and I’ll reply about it, there are a number of disorders out there and we do keep finding more varieties.
I don’t know them all and while I likely have heard of it, I don’t remember off hand.

[Josh]

CAIS people are considered male or female depending on their appearance.

When my son was born, the midwife asked me if I wanted to see if it was a boy or girl. I did not do a chromosome test nor ask it what it identified as.

Instead, it was very obvious it was a boy. No further nuances needed.

[ohio jones]

There are a lot of things I don't want my government intervening in such as faith, artistic expression, freedom of movement, freedom of association, child rearing, choice of profession, etc. etc. And I put deeply personal questions of sexual or gender identity into that same category. I don't see it as any of the government's business.

Then why bring the government into the discussion at all?

[Ken]

There are a lot of things I don't want my government intervening in such as faith, artistic expression, freedom of movement, freedom of association, child rearing, choice of profession, etc. etc. And I put deeply personal questions of sexual or gender identity into that same category. I don't see it as any of the government's business.

Then why bring the government into the discussion at all?

Because as you well know, there are many people including many here believe that it is the government's business.