In the Name of “Mission Work” book about CAM/Mast

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Re: In the Name of “Mission Work” book about CAM/Mast

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Signtist wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:32 am
undershepherd wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:18 pm Wow! I just finished reading this book. What a terrible story, but what amazing grace. The first half of the book is heart breaking and hard to read. The last couple chapters are gold. The author is to be commended for his very direct calls for change in Christian institutions and individuals and his thoughtful and gracious suggestions for what that change might look like.

Every missionary or aspiring mission worker absolutely must read this book. Every pastor, church leader, or institutional leader in the conservative Anabaptist world needs to read this book.

If you read this book and become defensive of CAM or other mission agencies, you have totally missed the point, and might ought to take a good look in the mirror.
Thanks for this review. My wife says we don't need any heavy reading just now, so I will have to (not so patiently) wait. It seems like a polarizing work. Either folks want to read it, or folks do not want to have anything to do with it. There are fascinating responses to it for sure.
I don’t think the book should be seen as polarizing, even though I can understand why some people see it that way. I thought he was incredibly fair with his criticism and forthright about the good that he observed. He didn’t sensationalize the violence.
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steve-in-kville

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Many times when people tell their story, its often perceived they are after pity and/or revenge. Most of the time a person wants to be heard, set the narrative straight or simply wants people to understand why they are the way they are.

Where can one get hard copy? Sounds like something our local library would be interested in.
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steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:35 am Many times when people tell their story, its often perceived they are after pity and/or revenge. Most of the time a person wants to be heard, set the narrative straight or simply wants people to understand why they are the way they are.

Where can one get hard copy? Sounds like something our local library would be interested in.
It is on Amazon, both Kindle Edition and paperback.

I noticed that it is self-published or "independently published" so possibly hasn't gone through the same editing process and fact-checking process that a book published by a regular publishing house has gone through where editors and fact checkers are assigned to each author. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is inaccurate.
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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:38 am
steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:35 am Many times when people tell their story, its often perceived they are after pity and/or revenge. Most of the time a person wants to be heard, set the narrative straight or simply wants people to understand why they are the way they are.

Where can one get hard copy? Sounds like something our local library would be interested in.
It is on Amazon, both Kindle Edition and paperback.

I noticed that it is self-published or "independently published" so possibly hasn't gone through the same editing process and fact-checking process that a book published by a regular publishing house has gone through where editors and fact checkers are assigned to each author. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is inaccurate.
I noticed that as well. But I plan to buy and read it when I get a chance.
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steve-in-kville

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:38 am
It is on Amazon, both Kindle Edition and paperback.
For those that have read it, is this something that Clay Book Store would carry? Or is it too edgy?
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Signtist

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:38 am
I noticed that it is self-published or "independently published" so possibly hasn't gone through the same editing process and fact-checking process that a book published by a regular publishing house has gone through where editors and fact checkers are assigned to each author. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is inaccurate.
How does one "fact check" another person's story?
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Signtist wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:02 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:38 am
I noticed that it is self-published or "independently published" so possibly hasn't gone through the same editing process and fact-checking process that a book published by a regular publishing house has gone through where editors and fact checkers are assigned to each author. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is inaccurate.
How does one "fact check" another person's story?
Dates, names, places, etc.

You can't fact check everything, especially events for which there were no witnesses. But you can check verifiable facts. Like peoples names, institutional names, dates that events happened, places they happened, etc.
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Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:18 am I don't know of anyone at CAM (or any of those who CAM terminated) who justifies the atrocities that happened in Haiti under CAM's watch.

I haven't read the book yet, but I expect that all the bad things that are mentioned in the book, I would agree with as being bad.
Regardless of whether or not these things are presented accurately and fairly, there is likely some truth in everything the author says.
Mature people who are familiar with the situtions being described should be able to identify the truth in what is being said, even if it is not presented accurately or fairly.

The question in my mind is whether the opinions and insinunations in the book are coming from the author, or whether they are the views of the "multitude" of individuals in the US who sent almost daily emails telling him what to include in the book.
Ernie,

Can you provide some proof to your claim of "almost daily emails telling what to include in the book," and "the multitude of individuals?" This statement is objectionably false. Ernie, I'm calling you out on this one---Your insinuations toward Dylo are shameful and over the top.

This book was professionally edited by Andrew Weaver of SC. Andrew's level of professionalism in his field is unprecedented. In fact, he edited nearly 2 dozen books for CAM in the past. As with all of his work, Andrew took the raw story as written by Dylo himself and edited it only from the basis of English as a second language.

Regards,

Randal
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randalm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:56 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:18 am I don't know of anyone at CAM (or any of those who CAM terminated) who justifies the atrocities that happened in Haiti under CAM's watch.

I haven't read the book yet, but I expect that all the bad things that are mentioned in the book, I would agree with as being bad.
Regardless of whether or not these things are presented accurately and fairly, there is likely some truth in everything the author says.
Mature people who are familiar with the situtions being described should be able to identify the truth in what is being said, even if it is not presented accurately or fairly.

The question in my mind is whether the opinions and insinunations in the book are coming from the author, or whether they are the views of the "multitude" of individuals in the US who sent almost daily emails telling him what to include in the book.
Ernie,

Can you provide some proof to your claim of "almost daily emails telling what to include in the book," and "the multitude of individuals?" To quote the editor of this book---"This statement is objectionably false." Ernie, I'm calling you out on this one---Your insinuations toward Dylo are shameful and over the top.

This book was professionally edited by Andrew Weaver of SC. Andrew's level of professionalism in his field is unprecedented. In fact, he edited nearly 2 dozen books for CAM in the past. As with all of his work, Andrew took the raw story as written by Dylo himself and edited it only from the basis of English as a second language.

Regards,

Randal
It’s an interesting question, Ernie do you actually know this? Or are you speculating?
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Signtist

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Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:18 am
The question in my mind is whether the opinions and insinunations in the book are coming from the author, or whether they are the views of the "multitude" of individuals in the US who sent almost daily emails telling him what to include in the book.
I am planning to fact check this particular insinuation. And if I get a reply I will post it here.
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