Seattle’s (former?) Capitol Hill neighborhood

[temporal1]

I don't know where you are getting this stuff, but I actually live in the Portland area and I was actually downtown with my 14 year old daughter yesterday doing some walking around and getting Thai takeout from a food cart. There is nothing going on at 3rd and Salmon downtown. Certainly no "autonomous zone" We did run into a protest march in SE Portland near Benson Polytech high school that was large but completely peaceful and organized. Looked like lots of teachers judging from the signs. Also lost of students and kids having a good time. Utterly unremarkable.

there is nothing i would like more than to be incorrect on these matters.

no doubt (some) teachers and their students are up to their necks in it.
i would prefer they stay out of it. esp with their students, other peoples’ children.

[Ken]

I don't know where you are getting this stuff, but I actually live in the Portland area and I was actually downtown with my 14 year old daughter yesterday doing some walking around and getting Thai takeout from a food cart. There is nothing going on at 3rd and Salmon downtown. Certainly no "autonomous zone" We did run into a protest march in SE Portland near Benson Polytech high school that was large but completely peaceful and organized. Looked like lots of teachers judging from the signs. Also lost of students and kids having a good time. Utterly unremarkable.

there is nothing i would like more than to be incorrect on these matters.

no doubt (some) teachers and their students are up to their necks in it.
i would prefer they stay out of it. esp with their students, other peoples’ children.

Stay out of what? All they were doing was marching for justice and equality.

[temporal1]

Stay out of what? All they were doing was marching for justice and equality.

children and teens need to learn about civics, how the system works. the nonpartisan basics.
not even being voting age, they need to refrain from becoming someone’s partisan social justice warriors, they need to stand back and wait. children and teens need to learn restraint, for one thing, and adults need to protect them from adult matters.

i see children and teens being trotted out for all sorts of politics, even filing lawsuits, etc.
some of these matters i highly support! but, imho, this is ADULT work. children can grow into it, they should not be thrown into it. i know it’s popular. i disagree with it.

teachers need to stick with their curriculum.
the partisan influence on numbers of students 1 teacher can have over years of work is unsettling.

the voting age is already too low. the push is to lower it.
voters need to be old enough to be employed and independent before voting. perspective.
as it is, teachers have too much influence on children inexperienced in anything other than school.

children, and teens, are not small adults.

does that help?

[Szdfan]

A friend of mine who lives in Seattle tweeted this morning:

I live near the CHAZ. It is calmer now than it was two weeks ago. It is not a "war zone". It is peaceful and the vast majority of people feel safe.

There seems to be a huge gap between how news sources are reporting this.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Places like this have existed for decades

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania

I was just there in February, a bit of an odd place, but safe.

J.M.

[Judas Maccabeus]

“” the voting age is already too low. the push is to lower it.
voters need to be old enough to be employed and independent before voting. perspective.””

Excuse me? I well remember “ Old enough to fight and die, old enough to choose who is sending them there”. If this bozo gets us into a war and they start drafting people, should those who could be conscripted not have a vote in this?

J.M.

[MaxPC]

Places like this have existed for decades

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania

I was just there in February, a bit of an odd place, but safe.

J.M.

Interesting article, JM. Another question: is the lack of violence because the residents are stoned?

[Judas Maccabeus]

Places like this have existed for decades

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania

I was just there in February, a bit of an odd place, but safe.

J.M.

Interesting article, JM. Another question: is the lack of violence because the residents are stoned?

I would say it is little different than Amsterdam, except for the odd buildings. There appears to little violence of any sort in Denmark. If I were 20 and there was an Anabaptist church there....

[RZehr]

Imagine the difference in media coverage if right wingers did this. If a bunch of 2nd Amendments enthusiasts took over 6 blocks of a major cities downtown area and started making demands.
Oh wait, Malheur Wildlife Refuge wasn’t in the city.

You have to understand the seriousness of burning federal grasslands. That's terrorism!

It is, until the BLM gets a grant to burn the land to study the effects on juniper and sage.
Or when the appropriate government entities decide burning grasslands as the native Americans did is “better for the environment” than mechanical control, and it helps “restore native sage grouse habitat”.
But if rancher and farmers use fire, it is all about smoke pollution and loss of habitat.
Utter ridiculousness.

[RZehr]

Imagine the difference in media coverage if right wingers did this. If a bunch of 2nd Amendments enthusiasts took over 6 blocks of a major cities downtown area and started making demands.
Oh wait, Malheur Wildlife Refuge wasn’t in the city.

Great example! I don't like armed groups setting themselves up in opposition to the government.

So ... should the police have stormed in and dominated the Bundys and their allies? Should they have used maximum force instead of de-escalating?

What if the President had tried to send 10,000 armed troops to "dominate" the Bundys on the ranch? Good idea? Bad idea? Why? Do you think it would have saved lives and quickly restored order? What actually works to restore the rule of law with as little loss of life as possible?

I thought the government handled the MWR debacle with extreme wisdom. They learned from Waco and Ruby Ridge. In retrospect, they may have been able to handle LaVoy Finicum a little better, but that wasn’t hardly their fault alone. It got out of hand.