“I do hate some of my enemies, and I always will.”

[ohio jones]

I never heard of Douthat before this clip, first time for me.

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(it actually is the same guy, not a twin brother, despite Bootstrap's typo in the title)

[R7ehr]

I never heard of Douthat before this clip, first time for me.

viewtopic.php?p=128592#p128592
(it actually is the same guy, not a twin brother, despite Bootstrap's typo in the title)

Oh. Then I have heard of him. Name didn’t mean anything to me back then or up until now. I think this is the first I’ve watched him.

[barnhart]

I saw this interview but haven't had to time to listen. In his interviews at the NYT I thought Douthat often went a little soft on his subjects, not challenging them and allowing them to turn his platform into a light form of propaganda.

I never heard of Douthat before this clip, first time for me. But my takeaway is that his respectful meekness (strength under control def., not limp or fearful or weak def.) in this interview was an asset in getting Trump to be honest and not combative and angry.

I always respected his editorial opinions at the NYT even when I disagreed with his conclusions. He is thoughtful and principled.

[temporal1]

The bar for questioning/attacking/accusing/drilling DJT is so high, moderation in approach might seem weak.
That’s a sad state of things.

How different the world might be today if he’d been accepted with a measure of respect from his start in 2016/2017.
DJT was created by God and is fully human.

That outcome will never be known.
i hope history records in balance of what’s happened in these tumultuous ugly years.

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How many of us would like to see our most painful confessions become headlines?

[Soloist]

Wife: thanks for sharing that. I didn’t watch the rest of the interview, but it seemed like he was very uncomfortable with the question. It was interesting how he was talking about how he was a religious person and did a lot of good things…

I appreciated his honesty. I think we should continue to practice what we preach and pray sincerely for his salvation. It’s not always easy to sincerely be able to do that when you don’t like someone, whether they be Democrat or Republican, or anyone else. I know that I’ve had some uncharitable thoughts towards him before, and I’m trying to work hard on the respect part and seeing him as someone created in God‘s image that God wants to redeem just like the rest of us. I can’t help but think that Paul emphasizes this to Timothy because he knew it was hard to want to pray for certain leaders at the time.

1Ti 2:1-6  I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

[R7ehr]

Not that I think Douthat is Paul, or that Trump is Agrippa, but this conversation did make me think of Paul and Agrippa. Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

A leader being reminded of the truth of God and the reality of eternity. And them sadly unable to accept it.

[JohnH]

I don’t think it’s “brave” to admit to a significant moral failing and declare that you’re never going to change it.

It's certainly a lot braver than to simply lie and say what is more socially acceptable.

I also don't consider it a "moral failing" for a non-Christian to say that they aren't going to love their enemies. It is impossible to truly do this without the power of Christ, and it is also entirely pointless to do so.

[Ernie]

It is impossible to truly do this without the power of Christ, and it is also entirely pointless to do so.

Really?

[JohnH]

It is impossible to truly do this without the power of Christ, and it is also entirely pointless to do so.

Really?

I think so. Likewise laying down one’s life for an enemy is simply not even a reasonable thing to ask of a person who hasn’t been granted eternal life.

I was once passing out tracts, and one said “Love your enemies?” The recipient handed it back. “I hate my enemies!”

[Valerie]

It is impossible to truly do this without the power of Christ, and it is also entirely pointless to do so.

Really?

I think so. Likewise laying down one’s life for an enemy is simply not even a reasonable thing to ask of a person who hasn’t been granted eternal life.

I was once passing out tracts, and one said “Love your enemies?” The recipient handed it back. “I hate my enemies!”

I run into people from time to time that refuse to forgive and it is really concerning in light of Jesus words and they don’t even care about that. Times.

So I do think that’s one of the characteristics of a Christian that the watching world doesn’t get, which of course they don’t- the mark of a Christian that they should recognize the difference.

Think about it- on this forum you don’t sense a lot of “love” between those we differ with. And we are all Christians. So imagine how hard it is for people that have extremely valid reasons to have hated their heart to be asked to love their enemies and forgive them when we tend to not come across that way on here quite frequently.