Entire Michigan city government is Muslim

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Did God send AYAAN HIRSI ALI ? Cardinal Sarah?

i’m convinced, He created all, for His purposes. He wants all to come to Him. 2Peter 3:9

Christians have been lazy, failing to go to convert all nations. Matthew 28:19
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ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:40 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:01 am
barnhart wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 5:41 am T1, have you considered that Muslim immigration is under God's control and may be orchestrated by him as part of his plan for all people to find him?
To find Christ, one has to come to America first?
And you wonder why he has you blocked. :roll:
Do not take another's statement and distort it to an extreme.
I think this is an exhibition of American exceptionalism (something I reject) where America is some kind of "promised land", and it is some kind of virtue to try to get as many people here as possible.

I certainly don't think that God has to orchestrate people coming to America first in order to meet him. There is one religion in particular that actually thinks that known as Mormonism, but generally Christianity does not hold to such a view.
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temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 11:33 am Did God send AYAAN HIRSI ALI ? Cardinal Sarah?

i’m convinced, He created all, for His purposes. He wants all to come to Him. 2Peter 3:9

Christians have been lazy, failing to go to convert all nations. Matthew 28:19
Yes. God can meet people anywhere - immigrants or indigenous people, in America, or in other countries. There is no need for Christians to try to reshuffle people aruond the globe in order to evangelise them.

During the era of slavery some people promoted slavery, claiming it was better for the enslaved to come to America so they could be evangelised. We have similar attitudes today of people who want low-cost labour who want to bring such people to America, and then find moral justifications for doing so.
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temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 11:33 am Did God send AYAAN HIRSI ALI ? Cardinal Sarah?

i’m convinced, He created all, for His purposes. He wants all to come to Him. 2Peter 3:9

Christians have been lazy, failing to go to convert all nations. Matthew 28:19
For a fact, that commands us to make disciples of all nations, not convert all nations. There is no case where a nation could be converted.
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 1:56 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 11:33 am Did God send AYAAN HIRSI ALI ? Cardinal Sarah?

i’m convinced, He created all, for His purposes. He wants all to come to Him. 2Peter 3:9

Christians have been lazy, failing to go to convert all nations. Matthew 28:19
For a fact, that commands us to make disciples of all nations, not convert all nations. There is no case where a nation could be converted.
Sure there is. Someone witnesses to a nation (which could be a very small group of people), and everyone decides to be converted. At that moment, the whole nation (which is just a group of people) is converted.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 2:04 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 1:56 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 11:33 am Did God send AYAAN HIRSI ALI ? Cardinal Sarah?

i’m convinced, He created all, for His purposes. He wants all to come to Him. 2Peter 3:9

Christians have been lazy, failing to go to convert all nations. Matthew 28:19
For a fact, that commands us to make disciples of all nations, not convert all nations. There is no case where a nation could be converted.
Sure there is. Someone witnesses to a nation (which could be a very small group of people), and everyone decides to be converted. At that moment, the whole nation (which is just a group of people) is converted.
100%? Even the most optimistic views suggest that 100 % of a people group are ever truly converted?
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 2:57 pm 100%? Even the most optimistic views suggest that 100 % of a people group are ever truly converted?
Missionaries report an entire village (which is really just an extended family) hearing the gospel message, and all of them accepting it.
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Other than banning the display of Pride flags on city property, has the all-Muslim Hamtramck city council done anything controversial in the past ten years?
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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 2:04 pm Sure there is. Someone witnesses to a nation (which could be a very small group of people), and everyone decides to be converted. At that moment, the whole nation (which is just a group of people) is converted.
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 3:08 pm Missionaries report an entire village (which is really just an extended family) hearing the gospel message, and all of them accepting it.
After being moved from a whole nation to an extended family, the goalposts laid down for a well-deserved nap.
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I wonder the ratio of Muslims in our country converting to Christianity vs Americans converting to Islam.
Some have converted to Islam in jail-
Anyways I’m always really inspired by the stories from Muslims in their countries who said Jesus appeared to them in their dreams!
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