Entire Michigan city government is Muslim

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Re: Entire Michigan city government is Muslim

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:22 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:04 pm :arrow: finding “zero evidence” in an internet search = zero.

at best: INCONCLUSIVE.

it’s depressing to think anyone, any age/education, would put so much faith in internet search engines.
sure, it’s tempting. we’re lazy, it’s tempting. but on some level, reality needs to be recognized. google is not the Word of God.
If I, without any evidence, go on an internet forum anonymously and accuse Josh of being tax-evader or child abuser or any other crime. Who's job is it to present evidence? It is Josh's job to go around and waste time batting down every random accusation someone makes anonymously? Or is it my job to back up my accusations with some shred of evidence if I want them to be taken seriously?
There's been plenty of evidence for that (and she has refused to do something very simple, that is, share her immigration records which would exonerate herself).

Setting up sham marriages, often between family members, in order for Somalis to migrate to the U.S. or other places is quite common. The simple fact is that she did exactly that. And I don't think that's a good thing to see in political leadership.
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Re: Entire Michigan city government is Muslim

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Josh wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:47 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:22 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:04 pm :arrow: finding “zero evidence” in an internet search = zero.

at best: INCONCLUSIVE.

it’s depressing to think anyone, any age/education, would put so much faith in internet search engines.
sure, it’s tempting. we’re lazy, it’s tempting. but on some level, reality needs to be recognized. google is not the Word of God.
If I, without any evidence, go on an internet forum anonymously and accuse Josh of being tax-evader or child abuser or any other crime. Who's job is it to present evidence? It is Josh's job to go around and waste time batting down every random accusation someone makes anonymously? Or is it my job to back up my accusations with some shred of evidence if I want them to be taken seriously?
There's been plenty of evidence for that (and she has refused to do something very simple, that is, share her immigration records which would exonerate herself).

Setting up sham marriages, often between family members, in order for Somalis to migrate to the U.S. or other places is quite common. The simple fact is that she did exactly that. And I don't think that's a good thing to see in political leadership.
I'm not aware of any evidence whatsoever. Perhaps you have some to share? When I looked into this it looks like Omar did share various family photos of her whole family in Somalia and this guy wasn't one of them.

As for sham marriages for immigration fraud? The husband in question moved to the UK after they separated. Which kind of demolishes the argument that this was a case of immigration fraud. Since he didn't actually immigrate, but left as soon as the marriage deteriorated.

I personally don't care one way or the other about Omar. She is on the left edge of the Democratic party but has plenty of company there. I don't see her as any sort secret front for conservative Muslim infiltration into the US or some such nonsense. Especially give that she is the furthest thing from conservative. She has, at times, been less than politic in her public statements but in pretty minor ways frankly. The far right on the other side of the aisle, people like Greene, Boebert, Gohmert, Gosar, Gaetz, Massie, and Cawthorn etc. are usually much more offensive in their statements than Omar is.
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Ken wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:56 pm The husband in question
I guess it has to be stated that way when there are 3 men and 4 marriages involved. I don't need to know whether or not one of the men was her brother to be convinced of her immorality.
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ohio jones wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:06 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:56 pm The husband in question
I guess it has to be stated that way when there are 3 men and 4 marriages involved. I don't need to know whether or not one of the men was her brother to be convinced of her immorality.
Which makes her a pretty ordinary politician like Donald Trump or Newt Gingrich or Rudy Giuliani or John Edwards or Al Gore. It doesn't make her some sort of 5th column Islamic revolutionary. We got onto Omar because having politicians who are Muslim is supposed to be some sort of slippery slope towards Sharia Law or some such. But no one here has explained how the fact that Omar is Muslim has anything to do with conservative Islamic law in the US. She looks like a pretty ordinary garden variety lefty to me.
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Back to Hamtramck ...

When I lived in Michigan, 90% of the population was Polish, it was a very ethnic place, and its government reflected it's population. Now Hamtramck is a city where the majority of residents are Muslim:
In 2013, it reportedly became the first Muslim-majority city in the U.S. In 2015, Hamtramck became the first city to have a Muslim-majority city council in the history of the United States, with four of the six council members being Muslim. In November 2021, Hamtramck elected a completely Muslim-American city council and a Muslim mayor, becoming the first municipality in the United States to be governed entirely by Muslim-Americans.
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2026 / Loads of changes since 2021 :shock:

i reviewed the earlier posts, many about Ilhan Omar. (Minneapolis)
It seems all doubt has been removed about Ms.Omar’s marriage to her brother (and others).

Her D.C. home was just raided (with a judge’s warrant) - reportedly about her deceased father, her age, his and her immigration status; if those things don’t line up, there could be a plethora of charges. (Beginnng stages.)

- - - - - - -

AYAAN HIRSI ALI

Jan 2026 / RubinReport / Somali Immigrant Has a Chilling Warning for the West | Ayaan Hirsi Ali / 48+min
Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Ayaan Hirsi Ali about her Somali background
and the clan-based system shaping Somali society;

how clan loyalty and political Islam operate as alternative moral systems that clash with Western nation-states;

how these dynamics inform Somali communities in Minnesota, fraud scandals, and identity politics;

the influence of Islamist networks like the Muslim Brotherhood;

Democratic electoral strategies built around ethnic blocs and dependency; the broader threat to liberal democracy and Western values;

about Ilhan Omar’s role at the intersection of clan loyalty, Islamist influence, and Democratic Party politics;

how Somali clan dynamics and Muslim Brotherhood networks operate in Minnesota;

the red-green alliance between progressives and Islamists; Europe’s multiculturalism error and electoral opportunism;

the long-term consequences for Western democracy;

whether the U.S. and Western Europe can realistically reverse mass immigration, identity politics, and radical ideology through border control, remigration, and political reform;

the decline of classical liberalism and why it struggles to defend itself;

her intellectual journey from atheism to Christianity as a search for liberalism’s moral roots;

the choice between Christian and Islamist societies through lived examples;

why the danger of abandoning Judeo-Christian values leads societies toward authoritarianism, violence, and collapse;

and much more.
A sophisticated thinker and Christian convert. Candid, measured, not hyperbolic.

i wonder about her views on Cardinal Sarah? He’s warned (esp Europe) against mass migration.
i’d like to hear Ms.Ali and Cardinal Sarah interview.

What a life she’s had.
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T1, have you considered that Muslim immigration is under God's control and may be orchestrated by him as part of his plan for all people to find him?

Acts 17:26
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.
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barnhart wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 5:41 am T1, have you considered that Muslim immigration is under God's control and may be orchestrated by him as part of his plan for all people to find him?
To find Christ, one has to come to America first?
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Re: Entire Michigan city government is Muslim

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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:01 am
barnhart wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 5:41 am T1, have you considered that Muslim immigration is under God's control and may be orchestrated by him as part of his plan for all people to find him?
To find Christ, one has to come to America first?
And you wonder why he has you blocked. :roll:
Do not take another's statement and distort it to an extreme.
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ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:40 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:01 am
barnhart wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 5:41 am T1, have you considered that Muslim immigration is under God's control and may be orchestrated by him as part of his plan for all people to find him?
To find Christ, one has to come to America first?
And you wonder why he has you blocked. :roll:
Do not take another's statement and distort it to an extreme.
It was a good question.
One does not have to come to America to find Christ, but one does have to realize that the agenda of Islam is to take over the world. You only have to listen to the testimonies of former Muslims to know this. I don’t think God wants Muslims to take over the world.
Look how many masks are going up in Texas and look how Europe is warning Americans. Look how former Muslims warned Americans.
Iran has a lot of Christians now they did not need to come to America to become Christians.
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