Two evangelical megachurch pastors, whose ministries reach millions each week and influence the doctrine and thinking about God and the church in the younger generations.
Effeminate.
Greedy.
Avaricious.
Vain.
The pink sweater alone costs $2,000, and the high heels and yellow leather jacket the other one is wearing are in the thousands. The Apostles of Christ would see this and expel them from the church. The Church Fathers would see this and slap them in the face and then excommunicate them. But this is what millions of people in America and around the world praise today as "Christianity." This is the result of uprooting themselves from Church history, belittling the deposit of the Fathers, and, according to private interpretations of Scripture, wanting to reinvent Christianity according to modern standards, customs, and ideologies.
In the words of the Apostles: "Beloved, while I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I felt compelled to write to you, urging you to contend earnestly for the faith once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who were long beforehand marked for this condemnation, ungodly people who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness" (Jude 1:3-4). – "But false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their judgment is not idle from of old, nor their destruction asleep" (2 Peter 2:1-3). The True Christian Faith is not innovated or reinterpreted according to the times, it is preserved and defended from liars
Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
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Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
With "pastors" and "influencers" like these, you can understand why female pastors are accepted in modern evangelicalism: with "men" like these, women will undoubtedly dominate, both in the church and in the home.
"O my people! Their oppressors are children, and women rule over them. My people, those who guide you lead you astray and confound the course of your paths" (Isaiah 3:12)
"O my people! Their oppressors are children, and women rule over them. My people, those who guide you lead you astray and confound the course of your paths" (Isaiah 3:12)
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Their love of wealth and luxury is merely mimic how the Orthodox and Roman Catholic denominations of the past got started.
Wear fancy expensive clothes, check.
Teach people a very false doctrine, check.
Leaders loving luxury, check.
Teach people that if they give to their church, God will bless them, check.
Ignore the teachings of Jesus, check.
Build huge cathedrals, check.
We are used to the Orthodox and Roman Catholic's way of doing, but really they and these are only separated by era's. Different details, same problems.
Wear fancy expensive clothes, check.
Teach people a very false doctrine, check.
Leaders loving luxury, check.
Teach people that if they give to their church, God will bless them, check.
Ignore the teachings of Jesus, check.
Build huge cathedrals, check.
We are used to the Orthodox and Roman Catholic's way of doing, but really they and these are only separated by era's. Different details, same problems.
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Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
Interesting parallels. One difference is that these guys tend to be a flash in the pan. Their "empires" are focused on one individual rather than an enduring institution.R7ehr wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 9:43 am Their love of wealth and luxury is merely mimic how the Orthodox and Roman Catholic denominations of the past got started.
Wear fancy expensive clothes, check.
Teach people a very false doctrine, check.
Leaders loving luxury, check.
Teach people that if they give to their church, God will bless them, check.
Ignore the teachings of Jesus, check.
Build huge cathedrals, check.
We are used to the Orthodox and Roman Catholic's way of doing, but really they and these are only separated by era's. Different details, same problems.
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Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
Thomas M, I don't know these men but I don't doubt they teach false doctrine and are given to building empires of wealth and power in direct opposition to Jesus. However I don't accept your thesis that churches choose women pastors because the men are "feminized". If this were true pastors should identify traits with strong masculine perception and act them out in an exaggerating way. This seems as far from Jesus as the men in the photos.
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Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
Matthew 24
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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Free Will Baptist <-> Anabaptist
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Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches have leadership in some pretty while clothes and neither has women priests or clergy.







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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
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Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
Those Buddhist monks are styling in that international orange.
Shinto priests have their own groove. I wonder what that stick is for?
With sufis you get spins.

We can't leave out Hasidic men. I want that hat on the left. I can rock that while shoveling snow if we have a bad winter.

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Free Will Baptist <-> Anabaptist
”Try hard not to offend. Try harder not to be offended.” Robert Martz
”Try hard not to offend. Try harder not to be offended.” Robert Martz
Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
If you want one of those furry Hasidic hats, be prepared to pay in the thousands.
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Re: Modern False Prophets: The Deviation of Christianity
At this point, the only thing separating some celebrity pastors from pop stars is backup dancers and a Grammy nomination.
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