Churches don't have freedom to change "Thou shalt not kill" into "Thou shalt kill".
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You do realize after that commandment, God's people "killed" as per their heavenly Father's instructions. Murder was what the commandment was against. But please answer my question as it was in regards to the quote that was criticized as not Biblical for conveying foot apparel.
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Jesus wore sandals (John 1:27), as did Peter (Acts 12:8) and the other disciples (Mark 6:9). Then again, they were in military service (Eph. 6:15). And we are also commanded to kill (Col. 3:5).
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From the OP
It looks like a number of posters have not read the OP lately.
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Which comments or topics are you referring to?
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I would say "if the shoe fits, wear it" but Valerie seems to think we shouldn't. Not sure how we got on that subject, but the bunny trails sometimes have a slipper-y slope.
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The perspective Valerie has is not an uncommon one, and to be frank, it is one that I keep hearing from various evangelical sorts of people. They speak as if the Bible actually condones anything the present-day State of Israel wants to do when it goes to war. I find this approach to scripture troubling, but it is what it is.
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It was a bunny trail started at the assumption Israel isn't supposed to defend itself per the teachings of Jesus. I simply was defending Israel which is not "partisan" but historical in their position against opposition. The quote I provided by an early Church teacher really wasn't to point out shoes or lack thereof. I do not know about the audience of Christians he was teaching and in what context. I'm merely trying to convey why Jews would not look at the war on Gaza like an Anabaptistohio jones wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 4:26 pmI would say "if the shoe fits, wear it" but Valerie seems to think we shouldn't. Not sure how we got on that subject, but the bunny trails sometimes have a slipper-y slope.
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It's trying to understand the mindset of the Jewish people. I truly am not "evangelically" influenced about this. It seems blatantly clear from studying the OT for decades, and realizing Jews are who they are, and are not Anabaptist in thinking nor are they NT people. War has always been in their long history. So has being attacked.Josh wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 4:28 pm The perspective Valerie has is not an uncommon one, and to be frank, it is one that I keep hearing from various evangelical sorts of people. They speak as if the Bible actually condones anything the present-day State of Israel wants to do when it goes to war. I find this approach to scripture troubling, but it is what it is.
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Here is an interesting quote made by Origen in 248. " Christians could not slay their enemies. Nor could they condemn those who had broken the Law to be burned or stoned, as Moses commands.....However, in the case of the ancient Jews, who had a land and a form of government of their own, to take from them the right of making war upon their enemies, of fighting for their country, of putting to death or otherwise punishing adulterers, murderers, or others who were guilty of similar crimes, would have been to subject them to sudden and utter destruction whenever the enemy fell upon them."
Okay- as a Christian, he "gets it".
To understand the war on Gaza is to understand ancient history and the mindset of Jews and Muslims. You have to think outside an Anabaptist box to understand this war.
Actually, a very insightful former Amish man gave me an article he wrote quite awhile ago something like "Two Nations, One Womb" speaking into this history. No he left for Charity Churches not Evangelical, he has passed away. I need to hunt down that article.
Okay- as a Christian, he "gets it".
To understand the war on Gaza is to understand ancient history and the mindset of Jews and Muslims. You have to think outside an Anabaptist box to understand this war.
Actually, a very insightful former Amish man gave me an article he wrote quite awhile ago something like "Two Nations, One Womb" speaking into this history. No he left for Charity Churches not Evangelical, he has passed away. I need to hunt down that article.
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