ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:03 pm I think it's entirely reasonable to say that the nation of Israel was a victim here.
What I think
is nonsense is your claim that Hamas is in no way at fault for killing Israeli civilians.
i think of it as Israel was the
TARGET, it’s not unusual for those construed as powerful, rich, successful, gifted, etc., to find themselves tempting targets. In the short Thomas Sowell video, P.3, he mentions, toward the end, there are benefits to FAILING.
The U.S. was targeted at Pearl Harbor and on 9-11-01. Rich or not, it’s not ok.
The word, “victim” has become a trigger word for some, as well as being overused.
So many want to own+control language, often for political purposes.
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Recently, P.268 Russia-Ukraine, The Eichenfeld Massacre /
viewtopic.php?t=4584&start=2670
there’s an account of some Mennonites who became locally successful in farming, they became targets of jealousy+hate.
P.269:
Neto wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:28 pm
More on Nestor Makhno and the slaughter of Mennonites - responses to the video.
The Nogai and Tatar are two separate nomadic tribes.
The videographer slaughters most names, both surnames and common German language first names.
(For instance, Toews is pronounced ‘tayves’ not ‘toes’.I can’t remember now how he messed up Gerhard.)
I have to wonder what his objective was. Was it anti-Russian? Anti-Ukrainian? I couldn’t tell. But he didn’t seem to know that Makhno was Ukrainian, and that the Anarchists were not Communists. Makhno’s aim was a free Ukraine with an anarchist ‘government’. That is, an informal government that would be created whenever it was necessary, but generally non-existent. Since he was a Ukrainian for a free Ukraine, it is not surprising that his forces were made up of local Ukrainians. Also, that they were largely peasants, many of whom were former serfs. (Makno’s own grandparents had been serfs.)
As I suggested earlier, it is doubtful that Makhno had complete control over his ‘army”, probably not even over his own ‘generals’. (From what little I know of him, I also get the impression that he was a lot more idealistic – more drive by his sociological theories – than were the men in his inner circle. He was probably nothing but a common thief until a murder got him put in prison, where for at least part of his time there he was kept with some intellectual type political prisoners, through whom be became radicalized.)
One thing DOES come through, accurately, I suspect - the terror of this type of invasion, what the so-called "Kulags" experienced. (He was also not only targeting the Kulags - anyone who has more that you, but also the organized church.
Both were seen as having stolen from the poor for their own benefit. Ostentatious mansions and church buildings.)
But this is not the only place where atrocities of this nature have been carried out, or ARE being carried out.
We can join the Jewish people and cry out "Never Again!",
but as long as evil remains in the world, there will continue to be more 'agains'.
