Apostolic Truth vs. Modern Inclusion: The Christian Call to Transformation

[Thomas_muntzer]

Father James J. Martin, who was appointed by former Pope Francis as a consultant to the Vatican's Dicastery for Communication, writes on X:
"I received the message that Pope Leo will continue the same openness that Francis showed toward LGBTQ Catholics."
Note the implicit presupposition or teaching behind this statement:
That one can be Catholic (Christian) and lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or queer at the same time. In other words: these are valid personal identities. LGBTQ people do not have to stop identifying as such to be Catholic (Christian); being who they are, they can be faithful believers.
But is this the apostolic teaching?
Listen to what the Apostle Paul writes to the Corinthian converts, who, like today, came from an extremely promiscuous and debauched culture:
– "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Neither impure, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor exploiters will inherit the Kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
In other words: no one, absolutely no one, who identifies as homosexual or sodomite of any kind can be a faithful Christian, much less enter the heavenly kingdom. "And such were some of you..." declares the Apostle. In other words: now in the Faith, YOU ARE NO LONGER.
The pernicious idea that you can be homosexual or trans or queer and be a faithful Christian at the same time is the worst thing we can do to LGBTQ+ people, because it closes the Gates of Heaven to them. And worse, it robs the Holy Spirit of His regenerative and sanctifying power, which takes the dirtiest things in the world and makes them holy to God.
The Gospel of Christ is not mere "inclusive" and "sugar-coated" verbiage; it is the power of God to transform lives.
No, you cannot be a faithful Christian and LGBTQ at the same time: as Jesus told Nicodemus, "you must be born again of water and the Spirit to see the kingdom of heaven."
– "Beloved, while I was earnestly anxious to write to you about our common salvation, I felt compelled to write to you and exhort you to contend earnestly for the faith once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who were long ago marked for this condemnation—ungodly people who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." (Jude 1:3-4)

[Ken]

You can't be rich and be a Christian either.

Jesus is emphatically more clear on that point.

[Thomas_muntzer]

You can't be rich and be a Christian either.

Jesus is emphatically more clear on that point.

Yes ken you are 100% right "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows" 1 timothy 6:10

[Thomas_muntzer]

I decided to change the title to reflect better the huge problem with post modernist ideologies and it's infiltration

[barnhart]

I appreciate the new title.

[JohnL]

Father James J. Martin, who was appointed by former Pope Francis as a consultant to the Vatican's Dicastery for Communication, writes on X:
"I received the message that Pope Leo will continue the same openness that Francis showed toward LGBTQ Catholics."
Note the implicit presupposition or teaching behind this statement:

I agree with you about what the Bible says about promiscuity, homosexuality, etc. I did some reading about this Martin guy and it seems that a lot of what comes out of his mouth isn't trusted by people in his own denomination. Even though he claims he got a message about the pope being open to homosexual catholics in another article it says that the pope just yesterday refused to meet with a group of homosexuals. Probably because they were pushing their agenda again.

So who's right and who's taking advantage? I don't know. I just know that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong.

[barnhart]

My observation is that Catholic doctrine is not that flexible or easily pushed about.

[temporal1]

If i recall, Pope Francis recognized marriage as 1 man, 1 woman, others are to be celibate. Pope Leo the same.
Recently, Pope Leo is reported to have said one cannot be Catholic and pro abortion (and more) wrt the sanctity of life at every stage.

[JohnL]

My observation is that Catholic doctrine is not that flexible or easily pushed about.

I'll admit I've learned more about what the catholics are doing here on this forum than I have anywhere else. You said their doctrine is not that flexible or pushed about. Why do you come to that conclusion? I'm asking because I just don't know that much about it other than what I can find on the internet.

[Thomas_muntzer]

I agree with you about what the Bible says about promiscuity, homosexuality, etc. I did some reading about this Martin guy and it seems that a lot of what comes out of his mouth isn't trusted by people in his own denomination. Even though he claims he got a message about the pope being open to homosexual catholics in another article it says that the pope just yesterday refused to meet with a group of homosexuals. Probably because they were pushing their agenda again.

So who's right and who's taking advantage? I don't know. I just know that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong.

Yes, the Catholic Church as an institution has this surprising ability to accommodate countless positions, some even contradictory, and still remain united. But in this case, the infiltration of the LGBT lobby, which exalts not only homosexuality but pride as a quality, is much more serious because it is a position that goes against the teachings of Jesus. Disguised as the virtue of tolerance, they want to normalize sin and immorality