Nichomachean Ethics on Friendship

Place for books, articles, and websites with content that connect or detail Anabaptist theology
Post Reply
Bootstrap
Posts: 3416
Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2024 3:38 pm
Affiliation: Virginia Conference

Nichomachean Ethics on Friendship

Post by Bootstrap »

temporal1 wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 7:19 am
“Wishing to be friends is quick work, but friendship is a slow-ripening fruit.”
—Aristotle, "Nichomachean Ethics"
I was pleased to see this quote.

Aristotle is really profound on friendship, especially in books VIII and IX of the Nichomachean Ethics.
Friendship “is most necessary with a view to life,” Aristotle says. He even goes on to claim that “no one would choose to live” if they were without friends, and that even those with other goods (wealth, power, and so on) need friends (perhaps even more than the rest of us). Friendship, for Aristotle, is one of the necessary components of a good life; it is what makes life worth living. We are better off for having friends, even if we are contemplatives, as friends enable us to be better. Young people show this natural inclination for friendship by forming quick friendships — though, for reasons we will see, these friendships tend not to last. “A human being is by nature more a coupling being than a political one,” Aristotle writes in his discussion of friendships between husband and wife.

The key distinction one needs to remember from this book is three-fold (with one layer of complication). Friendship comes in three varieties: friendship of utility, friendship of pleasure, and complete friendship. This mirrors a distinction in things that are lovable: things that are useful, things that are pleasurable, and things that are noble.
First, we have friends of utility. A friend of utility is a friend that one has because they provide something for you: social connections, material wealth, opportunities for career advancement. These friendships are brittle and often asymmetric. One friend typically provides more value than the other, at some point it becomes pointless for one friend to continue the friendship. When circumstances change, the friendship rarely adapts. Instead, it ends.

Second, friends of pleasure. These are friends who provide you with pleasure, broadly construed. Aristotle believes that these are especially prevalent among the young, who tend to pursue pleasure more zealously than the old. Like friendships of utility, friendships of pleasure are unstable. What provides pleasure for me now may not later — beauty fades, my interests shift, and the craving for more intense and concentrated pleasures grow.

Third, we have complete friendships. These are friendships in the fullest sense of the term. Friends, in this scenario, are perfectly alike in virtue. This kind of friendship is highly restricted. Those who are not sufficiently virtuous, whom Aristotle calls ‘base’, are unable to form these kinds of friendship. Only the virtuous can have full and complete friendships, friendships which go beyond utility and pleasure.
I think we can map this into the Kingdom of God. We have different kinds of friendships. Work friendships, light social friendships, etc. are pleasant and good, but not deep.

Complete friendships and deep fellowship ... those are the friendships with people who also seek the Kingdom of God, people who want us to flourish, people who have our backs, people who can help us discern because they have wisdom and listen to Scripture and the Holy Spirit.

And if we have these friendships, we are truly blessed.
0 x
1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
temporal1
Posts: 4112
Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:57 pm
Affiliation: Christian

Re: Nichomachean Ethics on Friendship

Post by temporal1 »

Good topic.
Knight once pointed out his view that Jesus reflected a lot from the ancients.
i think most forget about or don’t think about how so much in history happened before Jesus’ time on earth.

i wish Knight were present, on or off forum. i haven’t heard from him since the early pandemic days.
i used to try email. no notice the account was closed. no response at all.

That was an interesting virtual friendship!
Our first encounter was harsh, not public. Eventually, we got to know each other. Then, fond friendship.

i advise my family to leave doors open for unexpected experiences. i’ve seen so many unexpected things happen. positive and negative. remember, the unexpected can be positive! too often the default is to expect negatives. that’s inaccurate.

The virtual world can remind we are spiritual beings.

i have recently given my grdaughter a couple of approachable books on stoicism.
Fully expecting she will outread and outpace me. :lol:

Meditations
by Marcus Aurelius

Breakfast with Seneca: A Stoic Guide to the Art of Living
by David Fideler

July 10 / P.18 viewtopic.php?t=25&start=170
0 x
i’m perfectly comfortable with an older, wiser, more docile Trump.

”Try hard not to offend. Try harder not to be offended.” Robert Martz
Thomas_muntzer
Posts: 408
Joined: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:23 pm
Affiliation: Midwest fellowship

Re: Nichomachean Ethics on Friendship

Post by Thomas_muntzer »

temporal1 wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 5:48 pm Good topic.
Knight once pointed out his view that Jesus reflected a lot from the ancients.
i think most forget about or don’t think about how so much in history happened before Jesus’ time on earth.

i wish Knight were present, on or off forum. i haven’t heard from him since the early pandemic days.
i used to try email. no notice the account was closed. no response at all.

That was an interesting virtual friendship!
Our first encounter was harsh, not public. Eventually, we got to know each other. Then, fond friendship.

i advise my family to leave doors open for unexpected experiences. i’ve seen so many unexpected things happen. positive and negative. remember, the unexpected can be positive! too often the default is to expect negatives. that’s inaccurate.

The virtual world can remind we are spiritual beings.

i have recently given my grdaughter a couple of approachable books on stoicism.
Fully expecting she will outread and outpace me. :lol:

Meditations
by Marcus Aurelius

Breakfast with Seneca: A Stoic Guide to the Art of Living
by David Fideler

July 10 / P.18 viewtopic.php?t=25&start=170
Marcus aurelius is a great author worth reading dialogue of plato great book too and the stoics are great
1 x
Post Reply