The Unshakeable Faith of Polycarp

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The Unshakeable Faith of Polycarp

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As Polycarp entered the arena, a voice was heard from heaven saying:
"Be brave, Polycarp, and act like a man."
No one saw who was speaking, but our people who were present heard the voice.
Finally, when they brought him before him, the proconsul asked him if he was Polycarp; when he admitted him, he tried to persuade him to renounce his faith, saying:
"Think of your age! Swear by Caesar's fortune! Change your mind and say: 'Away with the atheists!'"
Then Polycarp, with a solemn face, looked at the whole crowd of impious pagans in the stadium, waved his hand, groaned, looked to heaven, and said:
"Away with the atheists!"
When the proconsul urged him, saying:
"Take an oath and I will set you free; insult Christ."
Polycarp replied:
"I have served him for eighty-six years, and he has done me no harm. How can I blaspheme my King, who has saved me!"
The proconsul said:
"I have wild animals; I will throw you to them unless you change your mind."
But he said:
"Call them!"
He said to him again:
"If you despise wild animals, I will have you burned at the stake unless you repent."
But Polycarp said:
"You threaten with fire that burns for an hour and soon goes out; for you do not know the fire of future judgment and eternal punishment, the fire reserved for the wicked. But why do you delay? Come, do what you want!"
The proconsul, astonished, sent his herald to announce three times in the center of the arena:
"Polycarp has confessed to being a Christian!"
At this herald's announcement, the entire crowd of pagans and Jews residing in Smyrna shouted with uncontrolled fury at the top of their lungs:
"This is the teacher of Asia, the father of the Christians, the destroyer of our gods! He teaches many not to sacrifice or worship!"
Then they decided, by common consent, to demand that Polycarp be burned alive.
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Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna, student of the Apostle Saint John, faithful martyr of the Church of Christ.
May the Lord grant us the faith and manliness of our fathers in the faith!
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I favor the position that this has been embellished. His writing style reflects none of this, and it was wrote after his death obviously.
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Soloist wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 3:01 pm I favor the position that this has been embellished. His writing style reflects none of this, and it was wrote after his death obviously.
Yes it relate how policarpe was burned for refusing to deny jesus christ so yes it was written by another person and always speak of policarpe in third person. I don't know if it was embellished but the persecution of christians by the roman authorities was real.

I think the writings of the church fathers are worthy to read from the history of policarpe, to the didache, to the hermas sheperd and teh testimony of tecla and paul also basically all the important debates were done before the nicean concile
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Thomas_muntzer wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:28 am
Soloist wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 3:01 pm I favor the position that this has been embellished. His writing style reflects none of this, and it was wrote after his death obviously.
Yes it relate how policarpe was burned for refusing to deny jesus christ so yes it was written by another person and always speak of policarpe in third person. I don't know if it was embellished but the persecution of christians by the roman authorities was real.

I think the writings of the church fathers are worthy to read from the history of policarpe, to the didache, to the hermas sheperd and teh testimony of tecla and paul also basically all the important debates were done before the nicean concile
Chapter 12. Polycarp is sentenced to be burned
While he spoke these and many other like things, he was filled with confidence and joy, and his countenance was full of grace, so that not merely did it not fall as if troubled by the things said to him, but, on the contrary, the proconsul was astonished, and sent his herald to proclaim in the midst of the stadium thrice, Polycarp has confessed that he is a Christian. This proclamation having been made by the herald, the whole multitude both of the heathen and Jews, who dwelt at Smyrna, cried out with uncontrollable fury, and in a loud voice, This is the teacher of Asia, the father of the Christians, and the overthrower of our gods, he who has been teaching many not to sacrifice, or to worship the gods. Speaking thus, they cried out, and besought Philip the Asiarch to let loose a lion upon Polycarp. But Philip answered that it was not lawful for him to do so, seeing the shows of wild beasts were already finished. Then it seemed good to them to cry out with one consent, that Polycarp should be burnt alive. For thus it behooved the vision which was revealed to him in regard to his pillow to be fulfilled, when, seeing it on fire as he was praying, he turned about and said prophetically to the faithful that were with him, I must be burnt alive.

Chapter 13. The funeral pile is erected
This, then, was carried into effect with greater speed than it was spoken, the multitudes immediately gathering together wood and fagots out of the shops and baths; the Jews especially, according to custom, eagerly assisting them in it. And when the funeral pile was ready, Polycarp, laying aside all his garments, and loosing his girdle, sought also to take off his sandals — a thing he was not accustomed to do, inasmuch as every one of the faithful was always eager who should first touch his skin. For, on account of his good behavior he was, even before his martyrdom, adorned with every kind of good. Immediately then they surrounded him with those substances which had been prepared for the funeral pile. But when they were about also to fix him with nails, he said, Leave me as I am; for He that gives me strength to endure the fire, will also enable me, without your securing me by nails, to remain without moving in the pile.

Chapter 14. The prayer of Polycarp
They did not nail him then, but simply bound him. And he, placing his hands behind him, and being bound like a distinguished ram [taken] out of a great flock for sacrifice, and prepared to be an acceptable burnt-offering unto God, looked up to heaven, and said,

O Lord God Almighty, the Father of your beloved and blessed Son Jesus Christ, by whom we have received the knowledge of You, the God of angels and powers, and of every creature, and of the whole race of the righteous who live before you, I give You thanks that You have counted me, worthy of this day and this hour, that I should have a part in the number of Your martyrs, in the cup of your Christ, to the resurrection of eternal life, both of soul and body, through the incorruption [imparted] by the Holy Ghost. Among whom may I be accepted this day before You as a fat and acceptable sacrifice, according as You, the ever-truthful God, have foreordained, have revealed beforehand to me, and now have fulfilled. Wherefore also I praise You for all things, I bless You, I glorify You, along with the everlasting and heavenly Jesus Christ, Your beloved Son, with whom, to You, and the Holy Ghost, be glory both now and to all coming ages. Amen.

Chapter 15. Polycarp is not injured by the fire
When he had pronounced this amen, and so finished his prayer, those who were appointed for the purpose kindled the fire. And as the flame blazed forth in great fury, we, to whom it was given to witness it, beheld a great miracle, and have been preserved that we might report to others what then took place. For the fire, shaping itself into the form of an arch, like the sail of a ship when filled with the wind, encompassed as by a circle the body of the martyr. And he appeared within not like flesh which is burnt, but as bread that is baked, or as gold and silver glowing in a furnace. Moreover, we perceived such a sweet odour [coming from the pile], as if frankincense or some such precious spices had been smoking there.

Chapter 16. Polycarp is pierced by a dagger
At length, when those wicked men perceived that his body could not be consumed by the fire, they commanded an executioner to go near and pierce him through with a dagger. And on his doing this, there came forth a dove, and a great quantity of blood, so that the fire was extinguished; and all the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished.

Chapter 17. The Christians are refused Polycarp's body
But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] the blameless life he had led from the beginning, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors of his holy flesh. For this end he suggested it to Nicetes, the father of Herod and brother of Alce, to go and entreat the governor not to give up his body to be buried, lest, said he, forsaking Him that was crucified, they begin to worship this one. This he said at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews, who also watched us, as we sought to take him out of the fire, being ignorant of this, that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners ), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions and fellow disciples!

Chapter 18. The body of Polycarp is burned
The centurion then, seeing the strife excited by the Jews, placed the body in the midst of the fire, and consumed it. Accordingly, we afterwards took up his bones, as being more precious than the most exquisite jewels, and more purified than gold, and deposited them in a fitting place, whither, being gathered together, as opportunity is allowed us, with joy and rejoicing, the Lord shall grant us to celebrate the anniversary of his martyrdom, both in memory of those who have already finished their course, and for the exercising and preparation of those yet to walk in their steps.
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What a beautiful text! The Christian communities in the first centuries after the coming of our Lord suffered terrible persecution. Our Anabaptist brothers and sisters in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries suffered something similar.

Thank you so much for sharing the shocking text of Polycarp's martyrdom. It reminds us that we must continue persevering in faith and in fulfilling the will of Jesus Christ.
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Thomas_muntzer wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 9:35 am What a beautiful text! The Christian communities in the first centuries after the coming of our Lord suffered terrible persecution. Our Anabaptist brothers and sisters in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries suffered something similar.

Thank you so much for sharing the shocking text of Polycarp's martyrdom. It reminds us that we must continue persevering in faith and in fulfilling the will of Jesus Christ.
I think you and I see different things in this.
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Take a look around, and make a list of our most influential contemporary conservative Anabaptists. Then compare what they are writing, with how most of today’s ordinary conservative Anabaptists think and live. I bet that the there is a disconnect between what is being lived and what is being written. It is easy for me to expect this phenomenon has been present for several thousand years, and so to read old writings and say that is how people live/believed back then is probably off by a little bit. It gives the few writers a future presences and voice that the non writers do not have.

I think writer who are simply documenting things are more accurate that writers who are writing to their contemporaries. Because the documentors are writing for posterity, and not their contemporaries.
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R7ehr wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 10:55 am Take a look around, and make a list of our most influential contemporary conservative Anabaptists. Then compare what they are writing, with how most of today’s ordinary conservative Anabaptists think and live. I bet that the there is a disconnect between what is being lived and what is being written. It is easy for me to expect this phenomenon has been present for several thousand years, and so to read old writings and say that is how people live/believed back then is probably off by a little bit. It gives the few writers a future presences and voice that the non writers do not have.

I think writer who are simply documenting things are more accurate that writers who are writing to their contemporaries. Because the documentors are writing for posterity, and not their contemporaries.
I have noticed that the most outspoken Anabaptists who go and speak, write books, etc. are often in a church significantly more "liberal" than the ideals they present, and usually their children are in an even more liberal setting.

Meanwhile, the Old Order, black-car, etc. "plodders" seem far more able to be consistent with their lifestyles, even if they don't produce a lot of books justifying why they live the way they do.
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R7ehr wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 10:55 am

I think writer who are simply documenting things are more accurate that writers who are writing to their contemporaries. Because the documentors are writing for posterity, and not their contemporaries.
Yes this is why one of the most reliable sources in history are the business records. usually if you are writing a contract you want this as clearly as possible and the most accuracy to reality if a contract 1.000 years ago says someone sold 24 horses and 70 sheeps most likely that was the real number
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