Pilot. ATC. Fear. Abiding faith.

[temporal1]

oj:
.. Any thoughts about the incident at LAX just over a week ago?
That could have been an exceptionally bad one. Quick response on the part of ATC and the AA pilot, thankfully.

Looks like Oct 31:

“2 Jets Avoid Mid-Air Collision Shortly After Taking Off From Los Angeles Airport”
“The incident occurred on Friday, Oct. 31, after an ITA Airways plane turned in front of an American Airlines aircraft”
https://people.com/2-planes-avoid-mid-a ... a-11845712

Captain Steeve / “Near-Midair at LAX: Captain Goes the Wrong Way After Takeoff” / -17min

[JohnH]

BlackBoxAnalyst / NTSB Drops BOMBSHELL On UPS 2976 Crash Investigation / 13+min
NTSB Drops BOMBSHELL On UPS 2976 Crash Investigation

(snip)

i’m not sure about the headline, i routinely ignore headlines.

You didn't routinely ignore this one for some reason. The headline appears on the embedded video, and you repeated it not once, but twice, and continue to draw attention to it.

Any thoughts about the incident at LAX just over a week ago? That could have been an exceptionally bad one. Quick response on the part of ATC and the AA pilot, thankfully.

Fear, abiding faith, or a bit of both?

[temporal1]

The NTSB Preliminary Report is already out, 12 pages.
https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/home.aspx

FAA Expands Grounding to MD-10 and DC-10 Aircraft After Deadly UPS MD-11 Crash
https://airguide.info/faa-expands-groun ... -11-crash/

Engine pylon fatigue, not engine failure.

BlackBoxAnalyst / UPS 2976 NEW EVIDENCE: The Truth Is More SHOCKING Than We Thought / 12min

The NTSB’s UPS 2976 preliminary report is finally out—and it’s far more shocking than anyone expected. A hidden fatigue crack. A catastrophic pylon failure. An engine launching over the wing. And a chain reaction that unfolded in under five seconds.

This video explains the key findings with clear, straightforward analysis:
• what the CCTV footage really shows
• how the aft mount failed
• why engine debris caused tail-engine compressor stalls
• why the MD-11 couldn’t climb higher than 30 feet
• and why the crew faced an impossible situation
This is one of the most important preliminary reports in recent years, and it has major implications for MD-11 and DC-10 fleets worldwide.

^^Another not-great headline.

In contrast, the video content is presented in a way i can understand better.
To me, the content supports, confirms, clarifies most initial NTSB observations.

No pilot error. 3 experienced pilots.

It makes me wonder if there had been a longer runway, or even vacant field, if the pilots might have survived?
It was a hard landing. They weren’t high. 30’?! But, the buildings and fuel storage made everything exponentially worse.

[temporal1]

D.C. Jan 13 1982

i remember this.

Mentour Pilot / The Passenger Plane That Crashed Into a Bridge Seconds After Takeoff / 35min
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/t ... ocialshare

It should have been a routine takeoff - but within seconds, the plane began to fall from the sky.
Its wings were frozen, its power fading fast. The jet slammed into a bridge full of cars before plunging into the icy Potomac River. Screams, fire, and chaos filled the air - it was one of the most shocking aviation disasters ever caught on camera.

Aircraft Deicing: Everything You Need To Know
https://simpleflying.com/aircraft-deicing/

.. Aircraft can be sprayed with two different liquids.
The first is a deicing liquid to remove ice accumulation. This is usually a heated glycol-water solution. It is applied using a high-pressure spray, generally following the wings from the wingtips to the fuselage.

A second, thicker liquid may also be applied to prevent further icing.
This is usually propylene glycol and will remain on the wings as a gel-like substance. This is sometimes colored to help see which areas have been treated. This application will prevent further ice accumulation while on the ground and taxing (a time limit must be adhered to, though). Once the aircraft reaches speed, it will disperse, not affecting in-flight freezing or aircraft performance. ..

[JayP]

I am sorta surprised this is interesting to you guys. The de icing they are referring to is known as Glycol Type 1, which is the liquid you spray to remove ice, and Glycol Type IV which is the “gloop” you put on the wings and lays there to prevent more icing

Sad to sad to say I have read more NTSB reports than I have ever wanted to.

I did meet Sully twice! Very interesting guy.
A lot of folks do not realize he rejected ATC advice to land at TEB. His decision was correct. I fear fewer and fewer pilots are experienced and confident enough to make the good decision Sully did on that day

[temporal1]

I am sorta surprised this is interesting to you guys. The de icing they are referring to is known as Glycol Type 1, which is the liquid you spray to remove ice, and Glycol Type IV which is the “gloop” you put on the wings and lays there to prevent more icing

Sad to sad to say I have read more NTSB reports than I have ever wanted to.

I did meet Sully twice! Very interesting guy.
A lot of folks do not realize he rejected ATC advice to land at TEB. His decision was correct. I fear fewer and fewer pilots are experienced and confident enough to make the good decision Sully did on that day

i’m no more “you guys” than you .. but, ok.

There are pilots among us on forum, and some serious world travelers.

i’m an amateur hack, i’ve listened viewed lots of pilot-ATC videos, some NTSB reports, etc., an eclectic mix, at best.
my son is a mechanical engineer, has always been interested in aviation, he worked at Boeing (for 7 years, i think) on the 787s.
then worked for an aviation contractor for several years.

we talk about things. he’s quiet and reserved, he puts up with me.

i’ve watched several videos on Sully, his blackbox recorded voice is etched in my brain. including the part where he told ATC they wouldn’t make it to TEB. the training, focus, self-control these men have confounds me.

it would be very hard to match Sully’s experience. he had a good first officer, too. and crew.
what a day for them.

hoping you’ll add more here.

[temporal1]

AIRLOOM
3D flight tracking software

https://objectiveunclear.com/airloom.html

[JayP]

No I agree with your points. What scares me (I have worked in aviation over 30 years now) is the quality of men like Sully will soon be cascading downwards. Up until now, most of your airline pilots were military trained, with countless REAL hours of experience. Increasingly, your overnight FedEx cargo pilot is your airline pilot of the future.

Worse, he lacks as much experience. Oh , the technical count of hours is there but not the same REAL experiences. Dependency on automated take off and landing reduces “dumb” mistakes but eliminates experiences. A great example is I attended a lecture a few years ago on the Air France plane that the pilots literally flew into the sea. The NTSB spokesman pointed out he could have put a WWII fighter pilot in the cockpit, with no jet experience, and he would have been better because he UNDERSTOOD the physics of what was happening and would not have misinterpreted the “standard” interpretation of what the instruments said.

I do not intend to fly commercial after about another 7 years or so.

[temporal1]

2026

Kelsey reviews a number of world leaders’ aircraft. (Headlines, headlines!)
i wish he offered a list.

74 Gear / “Putin vs Trump. Who's [Whose] Plane is Better?” / -23min (not political)

Found in Comments:
@Linda27035 WROTE:
I’ve been on Air Force One several times at the Reagan Presidential Library.
It’s pretty cool to walk through it and see how different it is inside from the planes I’ve been on.
It’s not quite as large and luxurious as the current Air Force One planes but it’s definitely worth checking out.
Marine One is also there. Snacks are available as well.

[ohio jones]

I’ve been on Air Force One several times at the Reagan Presidential Library.
It’s pretty cool to walk through it and see how different it is inside from the planes I’ve been on.

Have you seen the original 707 Air Force One, used by Eisenhower through Nixon, at the Museum of Flight?