John Howard is in a category all by himself. As a Mennonite, I would say he was Amish. His great, great,(I am nut sure how many greats) great grandfather was one of the leading Amish in the Amish Minister's Meetings, leading the progressive side..Sudsy wrote:And so what category of Mennoniteism was John Howard Yoder from ?lesterb wrote: And don't forget John Kaufman of sleeping preacher fame. What is it with all these "Johns" in church history?
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Interesting. One of the first books I read on Anabaptism, and have my own copy, is The Politics of Jesus. Almost time for a re-read.Hats Off wrote:John Howard is in a category all by himself. As a Mennonite, I would say he was Amish. His great, great,(I am nut sure how many greats) great grandfather was one of the leading Amish in the Amish Minister's Meetings, leading the progressive side..Sudsy wrote:And so what category of Mennoniteism was John Howard Yoder from ?lesterb wrote: And don't forget John Kaufman of sleeping preacher fame. What is it with all these "Johns" in church history?
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With the scandal surrounding JHY, I haven't decided if I will re-read his books or not. I liked his messages but have to reconcile that with his life.
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Do you read the Psalms ?Hats Off wrote:With the scandal surrounding JHY, I haven't decided if I will re-read his books or not. I liked his messages but have to reconcile that with his life.
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Yes - although I struggle somewhat with David. The hurt with John Howard is fresher - different. All I have read on John Howard's part is how he chose to defend himself.
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David experienced repentance (e.g. Psalm 51). I hope Yoder did too, but if so, we never seem to hear about it.Sudsy wrote:Do you read the Psalms ?Hats Off wrote:With the scandal surrounding JHY, I haven't decided if I will re-read his books or not. I liked his messages but have to reconcile that with his life.
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I've just finished reading his book The Politics of Jesus and did not know about the scandal. I had to look it up and it's indeed grievous. However the book was very good. Perhaps it's a case of Balaam's donkey and King David as well as other sinners: God uses many kinds of avenues to give us His message.Hats Off wrote:With the scandal surrounding JHY, I haven't decided if I will re-read his books or not. I liked his messages but have to reconcile that with his life.
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Judas Maccabeus wrote:Is this where you would put Keystone?Ernie wrote:This is a thread to discuss Moderate-Conservative Mennonite Churches as categorized by Stephen Scott in his book, An Introduction to Older and Conservative Mennonite Groups.
This designation would include conferences and fellowships such as:
Cumberland Valley Mennonite Church (CV)
Mid-Atlantic Mennonite Fellowship (MAF)
Midwest Mennonite Fellowship (MW)
South Atlantic Mennonite Conference (SA)
Southeastern Mennonite Conference (SMC)
Post Secondary Schools: Maranatha Bible School (MN); Sharon Mennonite Bible Institute (PA); Faith Builders Educational Programs
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Josh wrote:I would definitely put some of Keystone (eg York) in the Moderate category, not the Progressive category.
Starting at about 1:45 in this video, you can notice the transitions that are taking place in some parts of the Keystone Fellowship churches from Moderate to Progressive.
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And if you are interested in another picture of how these transitions go...
Here is an example: Straight cut suit and then a Harley ride...
To those in the midst of these transitions, there is nothing ironic or concerning about this at all.
Here is an example: Straight cut suit and then a Harley ride...
To those in the midst of these transitions, there is nothing ironic or concerning about this at all.
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The old woodcutter spoke again. “It is impossible to talk with you. You always draw conclusions. Life is so vast, yet you judge all of life with one page or one word. You see only a fragment. Unless you know the whole story, how can you judge?"
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What about 1:13 with little boys wearing shotgun shells?Ernie wrote:Judas Maccabeus wrote:Is this where you would put Keystone?Ernie wrote:This is a thread to discuss Moderate-Conservative Mennonite Churches as categorized by Stephen Scott in his book, An Introduction to Older and Conservative Mennonite Groups.
This designation would include conferences and fellowships such as:
Cumberland Valley Mennonite Church (CV)
Mid-Atlantic Mennonite Fellowship (MAF)
Midwest Mennonite Fellowship (MW)
South Atlantic Mennonite Conference (SA)
Southeastern Mennonite Conference (SMC)
Post Secondary Schools: Maranatha Bible School (MN); Sharon Mennonite Bible Institute (PA); Faith Builders Educational Programs
J.M.Josh wrote:I would definitely put some of Keystone (eg York) in the Moderate category, not the Progressive category.
Starting at about 1:45 in this video, you can notice the transitions that are taking place in some parts of the Keystone Fellowship churches from Moderate to Progressive.
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