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- steve-in-kville
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That's correct- Womelsdorf.
At that time, the ladies were pushing for hanging veils and the conservative end was pushing back. IIRC, they needed a 2/3 majority vote to allow it. After a few tries, they got it.
At that time, the ladies were pushing for hanging veils and the conservative end was pushing back. IIRC, they needed a 2/3 majority vote to allow it. After a few tries, they got it.
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Yeah. And permitting beards on men also. This is before my time.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:06 am That's correct- Womelsdorf.
At that time, the ladies were pushing for hanging veils and the conservative end was pushing back. IIRC, they needed a 2/3 majority vote to allow it. After a few tries, they got it.
Frankly, I do not like hanging veils in a setting where Mennonites are few and far between. To easy to get mistaken for a Nun. After this occurring repeatedly, my wife stopped wearing one. "Are you from Little Flower or the Shrine" gets old after awhile.
That does not mean I do not think that they are acceptable, just have their drawbacks in certain settings.
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Really? I have not heard this, so I will ask my BMA contacts. If that is the case, it would explain certain things that I have observed.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:05 amIf I understand correctly, current BMA policy would be to avoid such a “transfer” from a similar affiliation like KMF.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:52 amIf I remember right, back then in KMF (15+ years ago) the congregations had some margin to work with on certain issues like technology and headcovering style. I also remember a local congregation withdrawing from the fellowship and affiliating with BMA.
But like I said, that was a while back.
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I don’t think it’s official written policy but overall they are trying to back away from “acquiring” dissatisfied congregations which are trying to transition more worldly. (They’d gladly take a CMC congregation that doesn’t want to trend more worldly tho, like the Bealeton/Cattlet, VA community)Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:44 amReally? I have not heard this, so I will ask my BMA contacts. If that is the case, it would explain certain things that I have observed.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:05 amIf I understand correctly, current BMA policy would be to avoid such a “transfer” from a similar affiliation like KMF.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:52 am
If I remember right, back then in KMF (15+ years ago) the congregations had some margin to work with on certain issues like technology and headcovering style. I also remember a local congregation withdrawing from the fellowship and affiliating with BMA.
But like I said, that was a while back.
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I think for a while KMF wasn't allowed to take on any LC churches after the original split. Not sure where I got that information though.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:56 am
I don’t think it’s official written policy but overall they are trying to back away from “acquiring” dissatisfied congregations which are trying to transition more worldly. (They’d gladly take a CMC congregation that doesn’t want to trend more worldly tho, like the Bealeton/Cattlet, VA community)
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That was the agreement the original Keystone pastors made with LMC when they brokered the deal to withdraw.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:07 pmI think for a while KMF wasn't allowed to take on any LC churches after the original split. Not sure where I got that information though.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:56 am
I don’t think it’s official written policy but overall they are trying to back away from “acquiring” dissatisfied congregations which are trying to transition more worldly. (They’d gladly take a CMC congregation that doesn’t want to trend more worldly tho, like the Bealeton/Cattlet, VA community)
The other congregations that also wanted out of LMC typically joined BMA.
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KMF churches only were part of the departure agreement if that came out with their bishops. It was the bishops that were involved in this.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:19 pmThat was the agreement the original Keystone pastors made with LMC when they brokered the deal to withdraw.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:07 pmI think for a while KMF wasn't allowed to take on any LC churches after the original split. Not sure where I got that information though.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:56 am
I don’t think it’s official written policy but overall they are trying to back away from “acquiring” dissatisfied congregations which are trying to transition more worldly. (They’d gladly take a CMC congregation that doesn’t want to trend more worldly tho, like the Bealeton/Cattlet, VA community)
The other congregations that also wanted out of LMC typically joined BMA.
I cannot find anything in writing. It appears to have been some kind of unwritten agreement. As far as I know, those who were an actual party to this are no longer available for comment.
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Clayton Shenk (who was one of the original pastors part of the Keystone Fellowship when it just an association of LMC pastors) told me this; of course, he’s deceased now.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:57 pmKMF churches only were part of the departure agreement if that came out with their bishops. It was the bishops that were involved in this.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:19 pmThat was the agreement the original Keystone pastors made with LMC when they brokered the deal to withdraw.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:07 pm
I think for a while KMF wasn't allowed to take on any LC churches after the original split. Not sure where I got that information though.
The other congregations that also wanted out of LMC typically joined BMA.
I cannot find anything in writing. It appears to have been some kind of unwritten agreement. As far as I know, those who were an actual party to this are no longer available for comment.
LMC and W/F long ago negotiated some deal they wouldn’t intrude on each other’s “turf”. As I understand it, since Eastern considered themselves the true successors of the LMC, they continued to respect this policy for decades, and W/F still does.
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So did BMA get its start over the LMC/KMF split? I don't really know much about their history.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:57 pmKMF churches only were part of the departure agreement if that came out with their bishops. It was the bishops that were involved in this.Josh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:19 pmThat was the agreement the original Keystone pastors made with LMC when they brokered the deal to withdraw.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:07 pm
I think for a while KMF wasn't allowed to take on any LC churches after the original split. Not sure where I got that information though.
The other congregations that also wanted out of LMC typically joined BMA.
I cannot find anything in writing. It appears to have been some kind of unwritten agreement. As far as I know, those who were an actual party to this are no longer available for comment.
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I believe they already were in existence but got a boost from a ready constituency.
Maybe a BMA person can correct my history.
Maybe a BMA person can correct my history.
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