Here's a recent case in Wisconsin where the Amish were granted waivers to the sewage code (and to rules requiring smoke and monoxide detectors) by the state, over the objections of the county.
http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Fron ... ition.html
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Actually in the Kenton, OH case the government and the Amish came to a compromise settlement. The Amish agreed to install sealed pits under their outhouses and have the waste hauled away.Josh wrote:The Amish did not comply and the government is continuing to not issue permits, etc.
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The impasse continues.appleman2006 wrote:Anyone know what actually became of these cases? Did the Amish eventually comply or did the state eventually just give up?ohio jones wrote:Not at all.MaxPC wrote:Was it the controversy over two holes vs one hole and its impact on costs vs modesty?
Here's one case from PA
and another from OH.
A surprising number of people tenaciously defended the obstinacy of the Old Order outhouse outlaws.
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1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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my first hope is for this case to be thrown out of the higher courts, thrown out of the lower courts, dismissed without creating/passing human law.
at that point, my hope would be for the Amish to graciously choose to be courteous to their neighbors, to choose to make arrangements for manure disposal, whether by collection bags, shovels, or other effective means.
shovels predate Jesus.
https://www.wonkeedonkeetools.co.uk/sho ... he-shovel/
my hope is threefold:
1. stop turning to human law for all life decisions (it's a trap;)
2. consider neighbors in all ways, tangible and intangible;
3. prepare, instead, to daily choose grace combined with common sense.
at that point, my hope would be for the Amish to graciously choose to be courteous to their neighbors, to choose to make arrangements for manure disposal, whether by collection bags, shovels, or other effective means.
shovels predate Jesus.
https://www.wonkeedonkeetools.co.uk/sho ... he-shovel/
my hope is threefold:
1. stop turning to human law for all life decisions (it's a trap;)
2. consider neighbors in all ways, tangible and intangible;
3. prepare, instead, to daily choose grace combined with common sense.
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Most or all of this drama, humiliation, wasted taxpayer money could be spared -
with even modest attempt at presenting balanced facts from the start.
”We’re all just walking each other home.”
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with even modest attempt at presenting balanced facts from the start.
”We’re all just walking each other home.”
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Maybe that is what the Amish should do. If they don't like the horse diapers, then maybe they can scoop up the manure and toss it in the ditch or in a box and take it with them. That would be awfully inconvenient, but inconvenience doesn't seem to bother them much.temporal1 wrote:my first hope is for this case to be thrown out of the higher courts, thrown out of the lower courts, dismissed without creating/passing human law.
at that point, my hope would be for the Amish to graciously choose to be courteous to their neighbors, to choose to make arrangements for manure disposal, whether by collection bags, shovels, or other effective means.
shovels predate Jesus.
https://www.wonkeedonkeetools.co.uk/sho ... he-shovel/
my hope is threefold:
1. stop turning to human law for all life decisions (it's a trap;)
2. consider neighbors in all ways, tangible and intangible;
3. prepare, instead, to daily choose grace combined with common sense.
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RZehr that idea only works if there are at least two in the buggy.
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I didn't know that. I figured one guy could do it.appleman2006 wrote:RZehr that idea only works if there are at least two in the buggy.
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Or if the horse is well trained. I've seen some who can drop the reins, and the buggy horse stands still, like work horses do.appleman2006 wrote:RZehr that idea only works if there are at least two in the buggy.
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