Public libraries. 21st Century saloons?

[RZehr]

Meanwhile, the high price of lumber means the cost of building housing has gone way way up.

Maybe those sawmills should have stayed open.

Increases the construction cost of libraries too! And then these jobless, voiceless, communities get hollered at by cities for losing their job and not being able to afford to build shiny new libraries.

If people can’t open the Apple link to the article about rural Africans losing their way of life to the international environmental big money groups, here is the link to the original Atlantic article. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ti/677835/

There are a lot, lot, of parallels to what happens in America, at least in the western US. We just don’t get sympathetic articles from liberal publications.

[Josh]

Meanwhile, the high price of lumber means the cost of building housing has gone way way up.

Maybe those sawmills should have stayed open.

Increases the construction cost of libraries too! And then these jobless, voiceless, communities get hollered at by cities for losing their job and not being able to afford to build shiny new libraries.

If people can’t open the Apple link to the article about rural Africans losing their way of life to the international environmental big money groups, here is the link to the original Atlantic article. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ti/677835/

There are a lot, lot, of parallels to what happens in America, at least in the western US. We just don’t get sympathetic articles from liberal publications.

That article was horrible to read and actually made me feel sick. Thinking about all those people and their entire lives being destroyed. And from what I understand. They practice one of the most sustainable ways of grazing cattle in that particular climate and type of land. All destroyed to make a playground for the wealthy, and disguised as “protecting the environment”.

Regarding libraries… no, libraries aren’t a place for Bugs Bunny cartoons. Aren’t Bugs Bunny cartoons shown on television? Libraries are supposed to be places with books in them. I don’t want my kids going to the library and ending up actually just watching TV.

[RZehr]

Where I live, there is a constant influx of visiting people who come play too. People who put their own expensive hobbies and pleasure above the right of locals to farm.
Out of area people want this place to just exist as a pristine playground, a place where they can maximize their snow skiing, snowmobiling, mountain biking, atv riding, hunting, fishing, camping, rock climbing, kayaking, etc. And they don’t want to see logging, farming, or ranching. They want to have a fun weekend, play, drink locally brewed beers, and then head back to Portland.

Bend, Oregon now markets itself as anti-industry, and “the playground of central Oregon”. Of course this has caused the nearby city of Redmond and Prineville to attract industry easier. Just like American over regulations cause industries to merely move to other countries.

[Josh]

One wonders where they expect the hops and barley in their beers to be grown, the timber to build the lodges they stay in to come from, or the steel, copper, and fossil fuels needed for their vehicles to be mined.

[RZehr]

One wonders where they expect the hops and barley in their beers to be grown, the timber to build the lodges they stay in to come from, or the steel, copper, and fossil fuels needed for their vehicles to be mined.

China, Canada, Africa, and South America from the looks of it.

I am not for industry to pillage Gods green earth and public lands. But they way things are going could be done a little better, and coherent.

[Josh]

One wonders where they expect the hops and barley in their beers to be grown, the timber to build the lodges they stay in to come from, or the steel, copper, and fossil fuels needed for their vehicles to be mined.

China, Canada, Africa, and South America from the looks of it.

I am not for industry to pillage Gods green earth and public lands. But they way things are going could be done a little better, and coherent.

I agree. And a good way to reduce our fossil fuel use and environmental impact is to start with growing and consuming food closer to home. Of course, a few specialty items need to be shipped… like vanilla beans. Or grass seed for Japanese people.

That means there will need to be fields, farms, dairies, and timber harvesting where folks live, instead of it being far away and “someone else’s problem”.

[Verity]

There are people out there like you describe, I do not doubt. Thank God it is not the case every where. I have been to many libraries- public, college, private. I have not had negative experiences while alone or with my children. As a family we use the library as training ground- teaching our children how to discern between good and bad, learning how to research and access information in a safe sensible way, and enjoying the wealth of books and materials that are available. Librarians often became personal friends.

I have had the experience of people acting out sexually and showing porn at conservative Mennonite churches. Not all, thank God, but it does happen. When I go to a public place (even a library), I expect to find the world, the flesh and the devil. I expect better in the house of God. Based on a few experiences at church, which did affect my children, would it be right for me to label EPMC churches as saloons or perverted places???

I am thankful for public libraries.

[ken_sylvania]

One wonders where they expect the hops and barley in their beers to be grown, the timber to build the lodges they stay in to come from, or the steel, copper, and fossil fuels needed for their vehicles to be mined.

China, Canada, Africa, and South America from the looks of it.

I am not for industry to pillage Gods green earth and public lands. But they way things are going could be done a little better, and coherent.

I agree. And a good way to reduce our fossil fuel use and environmental impact is to start with growing and consuming food closer to home. Of course, a few specialty items need to be shipped… like vanilla beans. Or grass seed for Japanese people.

That means there will need to be fields, farms, dairies, and timber harvesting where folks live, instead of it being far away and “someone else’s problem”.

Gotta ship in the avocados and rice milk too....

[Josh]

China, Canada, Africa, and South America from the looks of it.

I am not for industry to pillage Gods green earth and public lands. But they way things are going could be done a little better, and coherent.

I agree. And a good way to reduce our fossil fuel use and environmental impact is to start with growing and consuming food closer to home. Of course, a few specialty items need to be shipped… like vanilla beans. Or grass seed for Japanese people.

That means there will need to be fields, farms, dairies, and timber harvesting where folks live, instead of it being far away and “someone else’s problem”.

Gotta ship in the avocados and rice milk too....

Wouldn’t it better to just ship the rice cows?

[Josh]

There are people out there like you describe, I do not doubt. Thank God it is not the case every where. I have been to many libraries- public, college, private. I have not had negative experiences while alone or with my children. As a family we use the library as training ground- teaching our children how to discern between good and bad, learning how to research and access information in a safe sensible way, and enjoying the wealth of books and materials that are available. Librarians often became personal friends.

I suspect you live in a politically conservative area and your libraries are thus dominated by that (as is where I live). The experience in large cities may indeed be very different.

I have had the experience of people acting out sexually and showing porn at conservative Mennonite churches. Not all, thank God, but it does happen. When I go to a public place (even a library), I expect to find the world, the flesh and the devil. I expect better in the house of God. Based on a few experiences at church, which did affect my children, would it be right for me to label EPMC churches as saloons or perverted places???

I am thankful for public libraries.

If EPMC churches lend official institutional support to promoting pornography to children, then they are worse than saloons and are perverted places.