Public libraries. 21st Century saloons?

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RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:42 pmI guess they should just pay higher taxes so that they can go to the library instead of going to work.
Douglass County went for years without any property taxes because they were getting so many Federal subsidies. Now they object to tax levels that are about 1/2 of what I currently pay. It is their choice, but don't look to me for sympathy. And some of those old subsidy payments which were cut during the Bush administration were since resumed under Obama and more recently under some of Biden's infrastructure packages.
RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:42 pmBut what is the 2021 Private Forest Accord? It is the result of relentless litigation by environmental the impacts the privately owned timberland. These powerless environmentalists aren’t happy with choking off the logging of public lands. They want to stop all industry.

The Private Forest Accord (PFA) is a compromise agreement made between representatives from Oregon’s timber industry, the Oregon Small Woodlands Association, and prominent conservation and fishing organizations, to modify portions of Oregon’s forest practice laws and regulations in a way that expands protections for fish and amphibians while also providing regulatory certainty for timber harvest and forest management. The changes to the Oregon Forest Practices Act are aimed to avoid, minimize and mitigate the legacy effects of timber harvest and other private forest management activities have on certain aquatic species and their habitats.

The Accord, which was signed in 2021 by 13 conservation and fisheries groups, 11 timber companies and the Oregon Small Woodlands Association, outlines key goals that should allow the Oregon Department of Forestry to receive federal approval for a Habitat Conservation Plan on private forestlands, and an accompanying incidental-take permit for these species.

Following 16 months of facilitated negotiations, the signatories of the Private Forest Accord proposed state legislation that passed and was signed into law in 2022, setting new standards for forest roads and culverts to remove barriers to fish passage, and expanding the width of required no-cut buffers along streams to help keep water cold and clean, among other regulatory changes aimed to enhance protections for aquatic habitat. The Oregon Department of Forestry is the lead agency on implementation of these new standards. For more information on the PFA, please visit Department of Forestry’s PFA web pages.

The PFA legislation also created a mitigation fund as a subaccount of the Oregon Conservation and Recreation Fund, designed to support aquatic habitat restoration and conservation projects that offset the impacts of the forest practices covered by the Habitat Conservation Plan. The legislation called for establishment of a grant program, administered by ODFW with projects reviewed and recommended by a new advisory committee and ultimately approved by the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission.
What you are describing is the democratic process. Are you opposed to that? The forests are our collective heritage and not the private fiefdom of timber companies owned by out-of-state investors or in some cases, foreign investors who don't care about Oregon or ever even visit.

Would it surprise you to learn that those same private timber companies got a massive sweetheart deal out of the Oregon legislature in the 1990s in which they pay no taxes unlike the case in Washington and other states? And that is another main reason that counties like Douglas County are struggling. The companies cutting down their forests pay no taxes.

You can read about that here

https://www.opb.org/article/2024/02/02/ ... gislature/
https://www.opb.org/news/article/rob-fr ... hools-tax/
https://www.opb.org/article/2021/02/05/ ... -tax-cuts/
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The Private Forest Accord wasn’t for public forests that everyone own. It was for privately owned forests. It was the result of two hostile private forces declaring a truce, a truce that in turn needed the legislature’s involvement. No votes were taken. This has been the environmentalists stock and trade for many years and successfully deployed upon several industries. Sue, sue, sue, and if they don’t win, keep litigating until the opponent runs out of money, or settles. And then bring in the legislators.
Is this all new to you? Seriously, is it?
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RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:05 pm Laws and the interpretation of the laws change.
What they were doing was legal until the environmentalists forced via lawsuit, a new and different interpretation of those laws.

But sure. Let’s save the spotted owl (turns out it wasn’t even logging that was its threat, it was the aggressive, invasive, barred owl. Which scientist are now shooting.) and ignore all the animals that will lose their habits in other countries. And ignore An Inconvenient Truth, that for every moderately environmentally responsible industry that is closed down here, it is replaced by a wildly environmentally irresponsible company across the sea.
^^New laws are relatively meaningless - - - until they’re tested.
It’s comical how often libs invest everything to overturn existing law, sometimes genuinely long-existing law, THEN, they celebrate+tout “respect for law” .. if they so respected law, why did they work so diligently to overturn it?!

Literally, so shallow+transparent, for anyone paying attention.
RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:50 pm The Private Forest Accord wasn’t for public forests that everyone own. It was the result of two hostile private forces declaring a truce, a truce that in turn needed the legislature’s involvement. No votes were taken. This has been the environmentalists stock and trade for many years and successfully deployed upon several industries. Sue, sue, sue, and if they don’t win, keep litigating until the opponent runs out of money, or settles. And then bring in the legislators.
Is this all new to you? Seriously, is it?
^^i’d like to read appleman’s understanding of this.
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RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:50 pm The Private Forest Accord wasn’t for public forests that everyone own. It was for privately owned forests. It was the result of two hostile private forces declaring a truce, a truce that in turn needed the legislature’s involvement. No votes were taken. This has been the environmentalists stock and trade for many years and successfully deployed upon several industries. Sue, sue, sue, and if they don’t win, keep litigating until the opponent runs out of money, or settles. And then bring in the legislators.
Is this all new to you? Seriously, is it?
We are all subject to environmental regulations even on private land. You can't turn your farm into a toxic waste dump and pollute the local groundwater even though it is your own private land. I can't turn my home into a hog farm even though it is my own private land.

Environmental groups would not win one single lawsuit if the law was not actually on their side. You know this as well as I do. And the companies we are talking about are multi-national corporations like Weyerhaeuser. Weyerhaeuser is a company that owns 12,400,000 acres (19,400 sq mi) of forests in the US and millions more internationally. Most of its land was public lands given to it free during the 19th century railroad building frenzy. It generates revenue of over $10 billion/year. It is not going to run out of money because some local environmental group challenges what it is doing in court. And with the merger with Plum Creek they are not just the biggest private landowner in the Pacific Northwest, they are the biggest private landowner in the country. They aren't going to run out of money because they get sued by an environmental group. And they can also afford to log in an environmentally sustainable manner.

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Ken wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:06 pm
RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:50 pm The Private Forest Accord wasn’t for public forests that everyone own. It was for privately owned forests. It was the result of two hostile private forces declaring a truce, a truce that in turn needed the legislature’s involvement. No votes were taken. This has been the environmentalists stock and trade for many years and successfully deployed upon several industries. Sue, sue, sue, and if they don’t win, keep litigating until the opponent runs out of money, or settles. And then bring in the legislators.
Is this all new to you? Seriously, is it?
Environmental groups would not win one single lawsuit if the law was not actually on their side.
Your trust in the wisdom and benevolence of government is touching. :)
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Ken wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:06 pm And they can also afford to log in an environmentally sustainable manner.
Ah, yes. Afford to log in an environmentally sustainable manner. Such beautiful, malleable, fuzzy language. What that meant 50 years ago is not what it means today, and what it means today is not what it will mean in 20 years.
Grow crops in an environmentally sustainable manner.
Grow livestock in an environmentally sustainable manner.
Fish in an environmentally sustainable manner.
Build in an environmentally sustainable manner.
Ship in an environmentally sustainable manner.
Manufacture in an environmentally sustainable manner.

And who decides what this means? And who always moves the goal posts continuously? And who constantly ends up putting American industries out of business in an “environmentally sustainable manner” only to then see the need filled by third world countries in a not so “environmentally sustainable manner”?
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Ken wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:06 pm
RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:50 pm The Private Forest Accord wasn’t for public forests that everyone own. It was for privately owned forests. It was the result of two hostile private forces declaring a truce, a truce that in turn needed the legislature’s involvement. No votes were taken. This has been the environmentalists stock and trade for many years and successfully deployed upon several industries. Sue, sue, sue, and if they don’t win, keep litigating until the opponent runs out of money, or settles. And then bring in the legislators.
Is this all new to you? Seriously, is it?
We are all subject to environmental regulations even on private land. You can't turn your farm into a toxic waste dump and pollute the local groundwater even though it is your own private land. I can't turn my home into a hog farm even though it is my own private land.

Environmental groups would not win one single lawsuit if the law was not actually on their side. You know this as well as I do. And the companies we are talking about are multi-national corporations like Weyerhaeuser. Weyerhaeuser is a company that owns 12,400,000 acres (19,400 sq mi) of forests in the US and millions more internationally. Most of its land was public lands given to it free during the 19th century railroad building frenzy. It generates revenue of over $10 billion/year. It is not going to run out of money because some local environmental group challenges what it is doing in court. And with the merger with Plum Creek they are not just the biggest private landowner in the Pacific Northwest, they are the biggest private landowner in the country. They aren't going to run out of money because they get sued by an environmental group. And they can also afford to log in an environmentally sustainable manner.

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It also applies to the small locally owned and operated 100 year old C&D Lumber Co., that I posted about from this weekend. About 100 jobs gone. You don’t like consolidation? Don’t drive out the smaller guys. You want to clear the competition for Weyerhaeuser? Keep adding regulations, and throwing up barriers to entry.

But none of this answers my question to you about their well used strategy. Are you aware of how frequently the lawfare has been employed by environmentalists?
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Poignant when farmers in Africa lose their jobs to conservation and consolidation so the rich can enjoy nature. The Atlantic even writes a long article about their plight.
But doesn’t matter when it happens to rural Americans. Doesn’t matter when American ranchers and farmers and loggers lose their livelihood in the name of conservation. The Arabs and rich Western tourists are to be blamed for turning out Africans in the name of conservation, so that the rich can enjoy pristine nature and hunts. Reminds me of the push to turn our Americans in order to have pristine nature for rich city people to spend their leisure time kayaking and biking across nature.

The old life: He’d had all the things that made a person such as him rich and respected. Three wives, 14 children, a large compound with 75 cows and enough land to graze them—“such sweet land,” he would say when he could bear to think of it—and that was how things had been going until recently.

The new life: no cows, because the Tanzanian government had seized every single one of them. No compound, because the government had bulldozed it, along with hundreds of others. No land, because more and more of the finest, lushest land in northern Tanzania was being set aside for conservation, which turned out to mean for trophy hunters, and tourists on “bespoke expeditions,” and cappuccino trucks in proximity to buffalo viewing—anything and anyone except the people who had lived there since the 17th century, the pastoralists known as the Maasai.

They were the ones tourists saw through their windshields selling beaded key chains at the gates of Serengeti National Park, or performing dances after dinner at safari lodges. They were famous for their red shawls and recycled-tire sandals. They grazed their cattle with zebras and giraffes, and built mud-and-dung houses encircled by stick fences barely distinguishable from the wild landscape. They were among the lightest-living people on the planet, and yet it was the Maasai who were being told that the biggest threat to conservation and national progress was them. Their whole way of life had to go.

And so Songoyo, after considering his alternatives, had devised a last-ditch plan for his own survival, one that had brought him to a town in Kenya called Aitong, where a cool wind was slapping sand and dung into his face as he scanned the market for buyers. He was far from home, roughly 65 miles north of the village in Tanzania where he had been tear-gassed and shot at for the first time in his life. He had seen elderly men beaten and guns fired at old women, and now it was down to this: He was a herder for hire, working for a distant relative, trying to make enough money to buy one single cow.



The forces arrayed against Songoyo, whom I met in the course of two long trips to Tanzania late last year, include some of the world’s most powerful people and interests. (I have not used Songoyo’s last name out of concern for his safety.) What these people and interests want is what the Maasai are trying to keep: the land they live on.

Global leaders are seeking what they consider to be undeveloped land to meet a stated goal of conserving 30 percent of the planet’s surface by 2030. Corporations want undisturbed forests in order to offset pollution. Western conservation groups, which refer to the Maasai as “stakeholders” on their own land, exert great influence, as does a booming safari industry that sells an old and destructive myth—casting the Serengeti as some primordial wilderness, with the Maasai as cultural relics obstructing a perfect view.

The reality is that the Maasai have been stewards, integral to creating that very ecosystem. The same can be said of Indigenous groups around the world, to whom conservation often feels like a land grab. In the past two decades, more than a quarter million Indigenous people have been evicted to make way for ecotourism, carbon-offset schemes, and other activities that fall under the banner of conservation. That figure is expected to soar.

For all its accomplishments, the cause of saving the planet has become a trillion-dollar business, a global scramble in which wealthy nations are looking to the developing world not just for natural resources, but for nature itself. The wealthy players include not only Europeans and Americans but Arabs and Chinese and others. On the African continent, political leaders are enthusiastic about what so-called green foreign investment might mean for their own economies (and, maybe, their bank accounts).



Still, the threat unfolding now is of greater magnitude. It emerged soon after President Samia Suluhu Hassan took office, in 2021. “Tourism in Ngorongoro is disappearing,” she declared during one of her first major speeches. “We agreed that people and wildlife could cohabitate, but now people are overtaking the wildlife.” The Maasai listened with alarm, realizing that the people she was referring to were them.

Not long after Hassan’s speech, officials announced plans to resettle the roughly 100,000 Maasai who were living in and around Ngorongoro to “modern houses” in another part of the country. Meanwhile, in a region north of Ngorongoro, bordering Serengeti National Park, government security forces began rolling into Maasai villages. They were carrying out another part of the plan: annexing 580 square miles of prime grazing land to create an exclusive game reserve for the Dubai royal family, which had long hunted in the area. The government characterized the move as necessary for conservation. Traditional Maasai compounds, known as bomas, were burned. Park rangers began seizing cattle by the tens of thousands.

And more was coming: a $7.5 billion package with the United Arab Emirates, of which Dubai is a part, that included new plans for tourism and conservation. A $9.5 million deal with the Chinese for a geological park that overlapped with additional Maasai villages. An offer from Tanzania to make Donald Trump Jr.—an avid trophy hunter—an official “tourism ambassador.” New maps and proposals from the government indicated that further tracts could soon be placed off-limits, including a sacred site that the Maasai call the Mountain of God.


“This is 80 percent of our land,” a Maasai elder told me one evening during a meeting with other leaders in northern Tanzania. “This will finish us.” They had tried protesting. They had filed lawsuits. They had appealed to the United Nations, the European Union, the East African Court of Justice, and Vice President Kamala Harris when she visited Tanzania in 2023. They’d unearthed old maps and village titles to prove that the land was theirs by law, not just by custom. They’d written a letter to John and Patrick McEnroe after hearing that the tennis stars were hosting a $25,000-a-person safari-and-tennis expedition in the Serengeti. People made supportive statements, but no one was coming to help.



Hassan eased his more repressive policies and embarked on an ambitious plan to bring foreign investment into the country, especially through tourism. She branded herself a forward-looking environmentalist.
And she found willing collaborators. The World Bank had been encouraging more tourism, arguing that it could help Tanzania achieve what official metrics define as middle-income status. One of the country’s main conservation partners, UNESCO, had been pressing Tanzanian authorities for years to implement what it called “stringent policies to control population growth” in Ngorongoro, although UNESCO also says it has never supported the displacement of people. A German conservation group called the Frankfurt Zoological Society, a major partner in managing Serengeti National Park, has expressed concern that traditional Maasai practices are becoming less tenable because of population growth. “There is a risk of overuse and overgrazing that should be addressed,” Dennis Rentsch, the deputy director of the society’s Africa department, told me. “I don’t want to vilify the Maasai. They are not enemies of conservation. But the challenge is when you reach a tipping point.”

In response to these pressures, the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism produced a report that blamed rising Maasai and livestock populations for “extensive habitat destruction” in conservation zones. It recommended resettling all of Ngorongoro’s Maasai. It also recommended designating the 580-square-mile Osero tract, farther away, as a more restrictive game reserve, describing the land as an important wildlife corridor and water-catchment area for the Serengeti ecosystem. The designation left the Dubai royal family with an exclusive hunting playground. But none of the Maasai who lived in the area would be allowed to graze their cattle or continue living there.



But there would be no debate, no discussion of complexities. Hassan moved forward with her agenda. She was finalizing the $7.5 billion package with the United Arab Emirates, the fourth-largest (after China, the EU, and the U.S.) investor in Africa. One deal turned over management of roughly two-thirds of Dar es Salaam’s port to DP World, a company owned by the U.A.E. government. Another deal turned over management of some 20 million acres of forest—roughly 8 percent of the nation’s entire territory—to a company called Blue Carbon, which is run by a member of the royal family, Sheikh Ahmed Dalmook Al Maktoum, and uses conserved land to generate carbon credits that it sells to other companies. The package also included money for tourism.

Hassan invited travel agents to the country for a “tourism reboot.” She spoke of wanting more five-star hotels. She filmed a promotional documentary called The Royal Tour, which at one point involved helicoptering with a travel reporter over some Maasai villages near the Serengeti.
“All those round things down there are the Maasai bomas,” Hassan says in the film, as several villagers look up into the sky. The reporter then comments in a way that Maasai leaders found ominous: “Over the years, the Tanzanian government has tried to persuade the Maasai to become traditional farmers or ranchers, but they’ve persisted in clinging to their ancient ways. And yet, they may not have a choice now.”

Some 400 miles to the south, in the hotter, flatter farming area of Msomera, bulldozers broke ground on a new development. The military was building 5,000 cinder-block houses intended for Maasai families. Officials had been dispatched to villages in the Ngorongoro Conservation Area to present the government’s offer: a free house on 2.5 acres. Electricity. Piped water. New schools. A cash bonus of roughly $4,000 for early takers. At one such presentation, a crowd pelted the officials with rocks.

I requested an interview with Hassan to better understand her decisions. In response, a government spokesperson arranged interviews with several other officials, one of whom was Albert Msando, a district commissioner, who told me, “Whatever I am answering is whatever the president would have answered.” We met in the town of Handeni, near Msomera. Msando’s office was inside a former British-colonial building, where a portrait of Julius Nyerere, Tanzania’s founding father, hung on one wall and a portrait of Hassan hung on another.

“For the public interest,” Msando said of the Maasai, “we have to relocate them.” A lawyer by training and demeanor, Msando emphasized that any relocation is voluntary, at least for now. He also made it clear that if persuasion fails, the government maintains the legal right to remove the Maasai from conservation areas, by force if necessary. “That’s why there are guys here with their shoulders decorated,” Msando said, pointing around the room to police and military officers.

He told me that anyone in Tanzania would be lucky to get what the Maasai were getting. “We are giving them nice houses, I believe, according to modern standards.” He said that the Maasai currently live in “filthy conditions” and should be helped to “live a better life.”

He and other officials I spoke with said that they disliked even using the term Maasai. They invoked the spirit of Nyerere, saying that Tanzania was supposed to have a national identity, not tribal ones. Msando said he could understand the Maasai’s concern about losing their culture, even if he had little sympathy for it. “Culture is a fluid thing,” he said. “I am Chaga—the Chaga were on the verge of having their own nation. Today look at me. People do not even know I’m Chaga. My kids don’t even speak Chaga.” He was unapologetic: “The Maasai are not exempted from acculturation or cultural acclimatization, or cultural extinction.”

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And the same article continues:
The government’s plans moved forward. In June 2022, a convoy of trucks carrying hundreds of security personnel rolled into the 14 villages bordering Osero, a show of force that the Maasai had never seen before. Soldiers, police, and park rangers set up camps on the outskirts of each village, announcing their intention to demarcate the boundary of the new game reserve. What happened next unfolded sporadically over several days. It has been documented in reports by human-rights groups and was described to me by dozens of witnesses and victims.

First, village leaders summoned to what was billed as a routine ruling-party meeting were arrested after they refused to go along with the demarcation—27 of them in all. The security forces then began planting a long line of three-foot-high rectangular cement markers called beacons along the perimeter of Osero. Villagers came behind them, kicking the markers down before the concrete foundations had set; women hacked at them with machetes. “I felt like I was fighting for myself,” one woman told me later. “I knew if this land goes away, there is nowhere for my children to be, and that forced me to lose my fear.” But the security forces kept beating the villagers back. Elders called more than 1,000 moran to take up positions with bows and arrows in forested areas along a main road where government trucks were patrolling.

“How many are ready to die?” a leader said to the group, and at some point, one of them shot an arrow at a police officer, killing him.

After that, the security forces opened fire. They shot at the legs of elderly women waving grass as a sign of peace. They shot an elderly man, who fell and then was heaped onto a truck “like a sack of maize,” his son told me. He has not been found. The security forces shot at men and women trying to destroy the beacons, wounding them in their arms and legs and backs. They shot tear gas into bomas and burst into one where a traditional ceremony was being held, firing into the crowd. The moran waited for orders to retaliate, but the elders, seeing what the government was willing to do, called them off. “It’s only because we didn’t have guns,” a Maasai elder told me. “If someone helped us with guns, they cannot even fight with us, because they are very cowardly.” Another elder said, “You cannot fight a gun with arrows.”

Dozens of people with bullet and machete wounds, blocked by police from local clinics, limped their way across the border into Kenya for treatment. Several thousand more fled there for safety. Others hid in the forest. Then the burning and bulldozing began. For several days, security forces plowed through circles of stick fences. They crushed houses and corrals and lit the debris on fire, burning more than 300 bomas, including Songoyo’s, and finishing the work before the start of high safari season. In a statement issued a few days after the violence, the Tanzanian government said the new game reserve had “no settlements as it is alleged and therefore there is no eviction” taking place. It described what had happened as “normal practice for all wildlife and forest protected areas in Tanzania”—a necessary step to keep the Serengeti ecosystem from being “disrupted and eventually erased from the face of the Earth.”

Songoyo’s boma hadbeen by a hot spring. His father’s and grandfather’s graves were nearby. In the aftermath of the violence, he moved his family and cattle from Osero to a smaller boma nearer to his village, where he and others returned from hiding to find homes ransacked and skeletons of cows that had been eaten by wild animals.

Security forces roamed up and down the roads. Officials called people into immigration offices and accused them of being Kenyans, requiring them to show up in court for weeks on end, until judges threw out their cases for lack of evidence.

Rangers patrolled Osero more heavily than ever, shooting at and beating herders who went anywhere near the new reserve, punishments that now came with a kind of psychological torture—forcing people to consent to the legitimacy of their own dispossession. One young man told me that rangers dragged him to their truck and beat him on his back with a stick for hours, calling him “rubbish” and yelling, “You don’t agree this land was taken? We will punish you until you agree!” They would feed him cornmeal, he said, and beat him some more. But he never did agree. Now he can barely walk.
And on the article goes.
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RZehr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:54 pmIt also applies to the small locally owned and operated 100 year old C&D Lumber Co., that I posted about from this weekend. About 100 jobs gone. You don’t like consolidation? Don’t drive out the smaller guys. You want to clear the competition for Weyerhaeuser? Keep adding regulations, and throwing up barriers to entry.

But none of this answers my question to you about their well used strategy. Are you aware of how frequently the lawfare has been employed by environmentalists?
Yes, but look at what the article (in the Oregonian) says about why they are closing. They simply can't compete. The industry has changed and they haven't. Same as how a small coal mine in Kentucky can't compete against the enormous mountain top removal operations in Wyoming. Nothing was ever going to make them profitable because they simply can't afford to compete for logs on the open market with the big operators. Reducing environmental regulations isn't going to change that equation.

And consolidation? That's been a bipartisan thing. It was the Trump Administration that approved the consolidation of Weyerhaeuser and Plum Creek which made things worse for C&C but that part of Douglas County voted for Trump by a 50-point margin. Shug. Neither party has done much for rural America or done anything about consolidation.
C&D blamed the pending closure in Riddle on “the unprecedented challenges facing the industry today,” including fluctuating market prices, rising operating costs and timber shortages. Johnson said some of C&D’s lumber is fetching the same price it did 20 years ago even as all other costs have soared.

“Within the last few months, we figured we would need to purchase Douglas fir logs at nearly half of the going market price in order to sell our lumber and break even. This clearly isn’t sustainable,” Johnson said.
Douglas County needs to rethink it's economic base and diversify. Shutting down their libraries isn't going to help them do that. Maybe nothing will. I can remember going down to play HS football games back in the early 1980s. It was kind of a ragged and hostile place even back then.
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