Guns, violence, heart problems, rich+poor

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Guns, violence, heart problems, rich+poor

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This thread is based on my perception that it seems many school shootings, or other mass murders (Aurora Theater, Santa Barbara College, etc.) are done by wealthy/privileged/entitled - enabled! - perpetrators.

Just read, N Cruz, the Florida murderer was (is?) set to inherit $800,000. And, he knew it.
Most would presume he had “everything to live for,” young, physically healthy, set to be financially secure .. he chose to kill others, destroying himself in the process.

Trust Fund
http://www.businessinsider.com/nikolas- ... nse-2018-2

Strangely, when these (school) massacres happen, the hype goes to general gun control, typically, inner city violence, gang violence, one on one violence, becomes a central theme .. but, what do these scenarios have in common? they end in death! - but, the paths to get there?

Without a doubt, there is agreement that all of these are heart problems.
the problems manifest differently. don’t they? :?

(another motivation is ideology, cultures/religion clashing. yet a different path.)

for the sake of this thread,
i’m wondering if others have noticed differences in modus operandi, rich versus poor?

This is in Homestead, because, rich or poor, i believe these results are essentially family and heart problems.
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122 killed in mass school shootings since Columbine

Since the Columbine High School massacre set off a nationwide moral panic in 1999,
there have been 10 school shootings in which four or more people were killed.
Including the death or suicide of the perpetrators, these mass shootings have resulted in 122 fatalities .. ..

These are the 10 deadliest school shootings since Columbine (15 deaths):

2007 Virginia Tech University, Blacksburg, Va. — 33 deaths

2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, Conn. — 27 deaths

2018 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, Fla. — 17 deaths

2015 Umpqua Community College, Roseburg, Ore. — 10 deaths

2005 Red Lake Senior High School, Red Lake, Minn. — 7 deaths

2012 Oikos University, Oakland, Calif. — 7 deaths

2006 West Nickel Mines School, Bart Township, Penn. — 6 deaths

2008 Northern Illinois University, Dekalb, Ill. — 6 deaths

2014 Marysville Pilchuck High School, Marysville, Wa. — 5 deaths

2002 University of Arizona, Tucson, Ariz. — 4 deaths

Numbers compiled by Axios.
https://www.axios.com/122-killed-in-mas ... 7bc2f.html
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Correlation does not indicate causation. Even if there is a correlation between affluence and school shooters (which I haven't verified), it's far from the cause. It may indicate a need for further research, that some 3rd, 4th, or 5th variable may be at work.
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After the 2014 Isla Vista/Santa Barbara murders, Elliot Rodgers’ father, Peter Rodgers, showed a heartfelt interest in focusing on mental health problems, learning to identify and respond to them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Is ... a_killings

At the time, i admired his clarity of vision, but, expected he would have a real uphill battle, being in So California, involved in Hollywood .. attempting to get them to look at mental health versus their “gun-grabbing” culture. i never see anything he’s working on, except when i intentionally search for it .. example:
http://askforhelp.org/post/89924581113/ ... iot-rodger
http://askforhelp.org/

Starting with Columbine, although locations are spread all over the U.S., there seems to be a common denominator of (affluence.) It’s not for lack of funds or access to mental health professionals.

Some reports are finding a commonality in fathers not present in homes.
Frankly, this may be the case in poor inner city crime, too. Altho, the crimes are not identical.

It’s a mistake to think of mental health as “settled science.”
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KingdomBuilder wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities- ... 56375.html

Check this out, T1.
many questions. no answers.

if you recall the Amish school shootings in Nickel Mines, PA, those folks REJECTED media coverage.
i thought that was very wise, especially just following their horrific tragedy.

after that, i rethought the overall situation. it’s awful. people are routinely interviewed (for ratings) when they are still in a state of initial shock.

if only individuals, schools, churches, etc., would refuse media/political coverage - just the way the Amish did!
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Copy-cat syndrome is real, yes. But one common denominator, much more so than wealth or anything else, is an obsession with Columbine, 1999. The information/ evidence of Columbine is out and well-known... no other media could be posted about any other shooting; yet the fact that the Columbine info exists is enough... sadly.
Another reason that Nickle Mines is "forgotten" by many is because it was not a sizable school and the murderer was not a student. For whatever reason, a young person with connections to a school "sticks" to our mind much more than events such as the Orlando club shooting, Aurora, etc.
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i wish for the copycat syndrome (for peoples’ responses to media+political circus) to copy the Amish: DO NOT ALLOW EXPLOITATION OF OUR TRAGEDY FOR YOUR RATINGS/VOTES.
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Media hype (if it bleeds, it leads) is absolutely a problem and I agree that those directly connected via family relationship or other relationships should avoid the media in their time of shock and grief as the Amish did at Nickel Mines. Alas, not all seem to have this wisdom.
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MaxPC wrote:Media hype (if it bleeds, it leads) is absolutely a problem and I agree that those directly connected via family relationship or other relationships should avoid the media in their time of shock and grief as the Amish did at Nickel Mines. Alas, not all seem to have this wisdom.
those traumatized, in a state of shock, should be protected from exploitation, not paraded around in public view - whether gun violence, house fires, natural disasters .. it’s inhumane.

not enforced by human law, by essential human decency.
morbid curiosity of onlookers is not worth it.

strange how the simple words, “should be protected,” are now oft-presumed to be a demand for crafting more human law. it has not always been the case.

in this case of the Amish, it was the group’s elders, their church and community that rejected media and politicians. so important! families, churches, neighbors could (again) be protecting one another just like this. it’s a matter of thinking about it. not just accepting+allowing without question.
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