Dr Ben Carson - Post 2016 Election

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Re: Dr Ben Carson - Post 2016 Election

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KingdomBuilder wrote:Thanks for the reply. My questions are not rhetorical at all; rarely are. :?
I think this thread needs to simmer down.
i have never sensed "rhetorical" from you, but, on these questions, i thought you might know more than i ever will. so, was not sure.

i agree about the simmering down.
imho, no one comes to MD to experience that kind of rancor between members, i hate to participate in it. it's unworthy. i apologize for my part in it. it's awful.
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Talk about timely! :shock:
Just read this from Dr Carson -
i added bold, and arrows - :arrow:
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Carson Calls on Media to Hold National Summit On How to Provide Fair Coverage

Former presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson has called on the mainstream media to hold a national summit to discuss how to provide fair coverage.

Carson told Fox News that
:arrow: “the media is the only business that is protected by our constitution.
They are supposed to be on the side of the people, they are not supposed to be distorting the information that they give in order to put forth a particular view point or an ideology and that is what they are doing.”


Carson emphasized that the purpose of the summit should be “to come up with some rules.
And they need to abide by those rules.
:arrow: And we need to make those rules public, because I think most of them don't even know the rules any more. And that's why they act the way they do.”

He reiterated that he would be happy to work with media, explaining that already,
:arrow: “Every time I see a young journalist anywhere, I talk to them about the role of the media.
And I say, maybe you can be the new wave. You can bring some integrity back to honorable profession and it can be done and it must be done. Because it is essential to the well-being of our country.”

Carson, who has been a member of President-elect Donald Trump's transition team, said last week he did not want a cabinet position, because he had not government experience and had never run a federal agency, The Hill reported.

The retired neurosurgeon had been touted as a possible secretary of Health and Human Services, so that he could take a leading role in helping to roll back Obamacare in the new administration. He reiterated, however, that he would continue to advise the Trump administration in an unofficial capacity.

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i'm glad he included a mention about special protections for media. they do have special protections! i am not an expert, but, i hope more on this will be made "common knowledge."

Personally, i think the "news industry" should be held accountable to 2 major laws other industries are strictly held accountable to:
1. Truth-in-Advertising laws;
2. Anti-Trust Laws.


i do recall, i'm not planning to "source," both Bush and Obama complained about the news industry during the 2007 campaign! if this will become a BIPARTISAN goal, the news industry might be improved. the industry should be interested! - as they have lost major credibility - as proven in both 2014 and 2016 elections.

i agree with Dr Carson.
how journalists and communications majors are instructed, will go a long way to improve the industry. the second part of this is, what are journalists PAID to produce?! the worker-bees do not determine rules.

i appreciate Dr Carson addressing this problem that most people are thinking about.
i agree with his point that the general public is not informed about special protections the industry has lobbied for and acquired over time. :-|

clean it up! :D
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Carson Calls on Media to Hold National Summit On How to Provide Fair Coverage
Haven't they already done that many times, and come up with standards for accuracy and ethics? Shouldn't we simply decide to prefer news organizations that publish the rules they follow for fair coverage and invite the public to criticize them when they get it wrong?

What problem is he trying to solve? Is he saying the government should have more control over what the press publishes? The Constitution gave us a free press for a reason, and you wouldn't want to live in the countries that do not have a free press.

Does Carson have any particular expertise in journalism or First Amendment law?

If the press says something that is wrong, the right thing to do is correct it by providing evidence of the truth. If the government can sue the press whenever the president believes they got it wrong, then the press will spend all of its resources defending itself in court, even when their stories are true. And the press most certainly must be able to publish articles that are negative about something that a president is doing.

Is this just a continuation of Trump's earlier threats?
“We ought to open up the libel laws, and I’m going to do that.”

The changes envisioned by the celebrity businessman turned Republican front-runner would mean that “when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,” he said at a rally Friday in Fort Worth, Texas.

Trump added that, should he win the election, news organizations that have criticized him will “have problems.” He specifically cited The New York Times and The Washington Post.

Trump last month threatened to sue the Post after the newspaper wrote an article about the bankruptcy of his Atlantic City casino. On Twitter, Trump has routinely criticized reporters who cover him and their news organizations, including The Associated Press.

“The press has to be fair,” he said in the broadcast interview.

First Amendment advocates condemned Trump’s suggestions.

“His statement shows why we need libel protections,” said Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Washington-based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. “Trump gets offended, he gets upset and he wants to sue to retaliate. That’s not a good reason to sue someone.”

Libel law in the United States generally makes it difficult for public figures to sue reporters or other people who criticize them. To win such a case, the plaintiff must demonstrate that factually incorrect statements were made with actual malice or a reckless disregard for the truth.

Trump said he would like to lower that standard. “We’re going to have people sue you like you never got sued before,” he said.

Because the Supreme Court has repeatedly endorsed the existing legal standard, Trump could not change libel laws as they affect public figures by executive order or even with an act of Congress, Leslie said.

“I’ve never heard of politicians say they would repeal case law established under the First Amendment,” he said. “You’d really need a constitutional amendment to do that.”
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temporal1 wrote:i agree with his point that the general public is not informed about special protections the industry has lobbied for and acquired over time. :-|
They got it mostly from the First Amendment and from court cases where the government was trying to prevent them from reporting on things that the government was doing wrong. The executive and legislative branches haven't usually been eager to help the press keep them honest by reporting things they don't want reported.

Think Pentagon Papers.
temporal1 wrote:clean it up! :D
We now have the first president in recent memory who has not made his taxes public, and his finances are privately held and very obscure, with lots of connections to foreign powers. He is also the first president in recent memory who decided that he did not need to put his financial interests in a blind trust, but can just let his family handle them. That opens him up to lots of potential conflicts of interest. And he is also the first president to ever claim that a president "can't have a conflict of interest". And he is also the first president to come into power with at least 75 pending lawsuits. Many of these lawsuits are probably frivolous, but there some that look real, including fraud, sexual harassment, campaign violations, libel, etc.

That doesn't sound like cleaning it up to me. If Trump seriously wants to "clean it up" or "drain the swamp", he should start with his own personal swamp. And if the press doesn't investigate and expose any wrongdoing that comes up, who will?

So I'm nervous when Trump and Carson try to limit the power of the press. Trump also wants to limit the power of congress via increased term limits. Trump likes power, and we need constitutional checks and balances on the power of the presidency.
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sorry for your loss. :-|
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temporal1 wrote:sorry for your loss. :-|
Huh? Is that a response to what I wrote?
temporal1 wrote:...the "government indoctrination centers" need a big overhaul, Pre-K through college. the focus must be on balanced, critical thinking; and, quality of education, not "free" education.
Balance, critical thinking starts with reading and responding to things, thinking them through together, challenging facts, welcoming various points of view. And you're right, it is the antidote to indoctrination.

If you value balanced, critical thinking over government indoctrination, please take a chance to read through the things I wrote and respond to them. You don't have to agree, you're welcome to your own point of view, but the media is one of our protections against government indoctrination, and checks and balances is a fundamental principle of the Constitution.
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In this thread, Dr Carson updates are my interest.
Saw this today:
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Carson: HUD Secretary 'One of Offers on the Table'

Former GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson confirmed Housing and Urban Development secretary is among the positions he has talked to the incoming Trump administration about.


Trump tweeted earlier Tuesday that Carson is under consideration for the post. Carson was one of the world's top pediatric neurosurgeons and was head of neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins, and was thought to be a candidate for secretary of Health and Human Services or surgeon general.

He has previously said he had no intention of being part of the Trump administration, but reversed himself Sunday in an interview with Fox News.

Asked Tuesday about the HUD post on Fox News Channel's "Your World with Neil Cavuto," Carson said, "Well, you know, our inner cities are in terrible shape. And they definitely need some real attention."

Carson grew up the son of a single mother in Detroit.

"You know, there have been so many promises made over the last several decades, and nothing has been done," Carson told Cavuto. "So it certainly is something that has been a long-term interest of mine. And I'll be thinking and praying about it seriously."

When Cavuto asked flat-out if HUD secretary had been offered, Carson said, "I would say that was one of the offers that is on the table."

"I know that I grew up in the inner city, and have spent a lot of time there and have dealt with a lot of patients from that area and recognize that we cannot have a strong nation if we have weak inner cities," he said.

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So what does he propose doing that makes him any different than the "all talk" people he referenced?
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temporal1 wrote:In this thread, Dr Carson updates are my interest.
But you aren't willing to discuss them? This is a discussion forum, anything you post is there for discussion, that's the whole point. People who just want to read whatever Carson sends to his mailing list are free to subscribe.

I think Carson is probably a blind guide for Two Kingdom Christians, here's why:
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PeterG wrote:Exactly. The church's proper course of action is defined not in opposition to the world, but in conformity to Christ and the Scriptures.
I agree. And sometimes it's helpful to adopt the language of the Scriptures if you want to think along the same lines.

If you can't think about right versus wrong without using the terms "leftist", "right-wing", "conservative", and "liberal", then you have adopted a modern political world view as your primary way of thinking about right and wrong. If you can't distinguish truth from falsehood without using the terms "leftist", "right-wing", "conservative", and "liberal", then you have adopted a modern political world view as your primary way of thinking about truth.
To me, Carson's world view is clearly opposed to a Two Kingdom understanding, and is not focused on a clear understanding of Scripture. Sadly, he has become a culture warrior. And he's taken quite a few "moral shortcuts".

I can list some of these, if you like. I'd rather focus on Mennonite and Anabaptist perspectives.
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Whilst I'm no fan of political solutions, and am not exactly excited about the near-worship of Ben Carson, I think it's a bit disinengenuous to act like he will be the worst government official ever. Someone's got to serve in government posts.
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