The Orwell Thread

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Re: The Orwell Thread

Postby PetrChelcicky » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:16 pm

haithabu -
btw thanks for the excellent florilegium of Orwell quotations.
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Re: The Orwell Thread

Postby PetrChelcicky » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:27 pm

Back to Bootstrap. He distinguishes between radical leftists, the "liberal anticommunist Left" and conservatives.
That said, a "liberal anticommunist Left" did never exist as a stable position. There were some people who began as leftists like, say, Sidney Hook, and thereafter wandered to the Right, which allows for a transitory description as liberal anticommunist leftists. But from the late 1960s onwards Liberals were no more anticommunist in any sense here relevant: i.e. they of course didn't like economical anti-capitalism, but they did more and more like the Bolshevist way of dealing with a rightwing opposition, as demonstrated by the antifa then and now.
Orwell was btw highly conservative in his romantic view of an underclass (farmers and workers) which was uncorrupted by modern totalitarianism - insofar he has a lot in common with Kipling.
And when we look at the models for "1984": there are only vague similarities to the Germans and only some structural similarities to the Russians. The best reference are the British leftist intellectuals as Orwell got to know and to abhor them between Spain and his wartime work for BBC and OWI. (And he had no problems with naming them and warning against them after the war!) Take for example "peace is war, war is peace" - this is hardly something that Hitler said or Stalin said. But it's nearly exactly what Karl Barth said in his talks with the British diplomats and what was spread all over England by the BBC.
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