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Ken wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:56 am

Josh wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:03 am Worldly authorities claim the Bible and prayer are hateful, incitements to violence, misinformation, and anti-science. As their intense wickedness and hatred of Christ, the church, and the Bible grows, expect merely speaking a Bible verse or silently praying to incur even harsher penalties.

Meanwhile, worldly authorities claim we must have unrestricted pornography available to children because of “free speech”.

Nice strawman. There are no worldly authorities who claim those things.

The world we live in is one where pornography is unrestricted on the Internet and the courts strike down any local governments or states that try to restrict it. Not even requiring simple age verification is allowed.

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:56 am Nice strawman. There are no worldly authorities who claim those things.

Strawman? Really, Ken? Where have you been?

Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:18 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:56 am Nice strawman. There are no worldly authorities who claim those things.

Strawman? Really, Ken? Where have you been?

In the video you posted, I don't see any worldly authorities claiming that children must have unrestricted access to pornography because of free speech. In any event, pornography actually has a legal definition. I don't know if the work that this mother is quoting from taken as a whole, meets that definition. Do you? I highly doubt it. They are debating one specific library book, not whether or not children should have access to PornHub and unfiltered porn on their school ChromeBooks because of "free speech" Which was Josh's assertion.

In any event, what does this have to do with social media and the internet?

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:32 pm In the video you posted, I don't see any worldly authorities claiming that children must have unrestricted access to pornography because of free speech. In any event, pornography actually has a legal definition. I don't know if the work that this mother is quoting from taken as a whole, meets that definition. Do you? I highly doubt it.

I think you're being disingenuous, Ken. You know that these school boards are foisting that garbage onto elementary and middle school children. That's what the parents are protesting about.

As to what it has to do with social media and the internet- it shows a general trend in the state and its bureaucracies in every aspect of our lives which allows the disgusting crap on the internet to be poured into the brains of the children- they actually think it's a GOOD thing!

"Woe unto those who call evil good, and good evil!"

Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:43 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:32 pm In the video you posted, I don't see any worldly authorities claiming that children must have unrestricted access to pornography because of free speech. In any event, pornography actually has a legal definition. I don't know if the work that this mother is quoting from taken as a whole, meets that definition. Do you? I highly doubt it.

I think you're being disingenuous, Ken. You know that these school boards are foisting that garbage onto elementary and middle school children. That's what the parents are protesting about.

As to what it has to do with social media and the internet- it shows a general trend in the state and its bureaucracies in every aspect of our lives which allows the disgusting crap on the internet to be poured into the brains of the children- they actually think it's a GOOD thing!

"Woe unto those who call evil good, and good evil!"

I know no such thing. I haven't attended any of these school board meetings, nor have I actually looked at any of the books in question. I do know that censors have tried to censor everything from National Geographic magazine to diagrams in sex ed textbooks to Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird, and Lord of the Rings for everything from obscenity to paganism. Just because something has sexually explicit language doesn't make it pornography. Nor does it mean it has no educational value. You do realize that teenagers are commonly sexually active and do encounter sexual issues in their lives don't you? Not just within their own relationships but from the outside world? That is life. If you don't want your child checking out a particular library book, tell them not to check it out. But other parents may disagree with you about whether the material has value or not.

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:31 pm But other parents may disagree with you about whether the material has value or not.

So let them buy the books from the bookstore for their kids. Most parents don't want their elementary and middle-school children reading sexually explicit books and graphic novels. Why should the majority subsidize a minority's values?

And if you don't know what's in the books the parents are protesting, how can you even weigh in on the matter?

Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:15 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:31 pm But other parents may disagree with you about whether the material has value or not.

So let them buy the books from the bookstore for their kids. Most parents don't want their elementary and middle-school children reading sexually explicit books and graphic novels. Why should the majority subsidize a minority's values?

And if you don't know what's in the books the parents are protesting, how can you even weigh in on the matter?

In this country we don't give one person veto power over what all children are able to have access to. The Bible has pornographic and excessively violent content as well. If the Old Testament was a video game it would receive a Mature 17+ rating for all the violence, genocide, killing of babies, stoning of people, and so forth. Should we purge the Bible from public spaces and put it out of the reach of children? On the say so of one parent? Or does it maybe have some redeeming value anyways?

I'm 100% in favor of giving parents more ability to control what their children have access to online. I have said so. I think parents should have more tools to manage what their children have access to. I don't necessarily think one parent should be entitled to make those decisions for others.

The Bible is not pornographic nor obscene.

No parent should be able to make the decision to expose their child to pornography, either.

Josh wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:18 pm The Bible is not pornographic nor obscene.

No parent should be able to make the decision to expose their child to pornography, either.

Parts of it are. For example in Genesis 19:30-36 Lot's two daughters get him drunk and then both have sex (incest) with him. If that scene were animated or made into a live action movie it would be considered both pornographic and obscene.

There are plenty of other verses in the Bible that would be considered pornographic and obscene if taken on their own and animated. Judah 38:8-10, for example. Onan masturbates on the ground and then God slays him. How would that look in a video game?

Maybe we shouldn't judge it on one or two passages like the women up in that video were doing?