Poll: Who will win 2024 Presidency?

[Ken]

Robert tells us that a lot of people are threatening violence and/or will engage in violence Trump loses. I have no idea what that means. Are they going to attack election workers? Are they going to attack the police again? Are they going to storm the capitol again but this time with more weapons? Are they going to walk around the streets shooting Biden supporters? Are they just going to go on random violent rampages? Either way it sounds like the FBI and other law enforcement agencies need to be on high alert and ready to arrest all of those violent lawbreakers.

And if Trump wins, the radical left will inflict violence as well. Just a reminder that it was the left’s violent rampage and siege in the riots, destruction and killing that took place for 8 months against cities in the summer of 2020. Many police were killed and injured, as were innocent bystanders and rioters. Government buildings were attacked, as were businesses, many of them destroyed, along with the financial well-being and livelihoods of the innocent people who built them.

And Merrick Garland called the months of rampant violence by the radical left, even the siege on a federal courthouse in Portland, as mere criminal vandalism. All the while Biden and the liberal left called the Jan 6 riot, which was a few hours of violence by the radical right, carried out at the Capitol on Jan. 6, as domestic terrorism.

There are some radical violent people on both sides of the political spectrum. And we hope none of them are violent, if Biden wins or Trump wins.

Yes, violent people should be arrested and locked up no matter who they are. But in this case, and in this thread it is the Trump supporters who Robert says will explode into violence if their candidate loses. I don't hear Biden supporters making the same threats at all.

[mike]

Ken, in your opinion will Democrat voters be as motivated to turn out for Biden as they were in 2020?

[Grace]

Robert tells us that a lot of people are threatening violence and/or will engage in violence Trump loses. I have no idea what that means. Are they going to attack election workers? Are they going to attack the police again? Are they going to storm the capitol again but this time with more weapons? Are they going to walk around the streets shooting Biden supporters? Are they just going to go on random violent rampages? Either way it sounds like the FBI and other law enforcement agencies need to be on high alert and ready to arrest all of those violent lawbreakers.

And if Trump wins, the radical left will inflict violence as well. Just a reminder that it was the left’s violent rampage and siege in the riots, destruction and killing that took place for 8 months against cities in the summer of 2020. Many police were killed and injured, as were innocent bystanders and rioters. Government buildings were attacked, as were businesses, many of them destroyed, along with the financial well-being and livelihoods of the innocent people who built them.

And Merrick Garland called the months of rampant violence by the radical left, even the siege on a federal courthouse in Portland, as mere criminal vandalism. All the while Biden and the liberal left called the Jan 6 riot, which was a few hours of violence by the radical right, carried out at the Capitol on Jan. 6, as domestic terrorism.

There are some radical violent people on both sides of the political spectrum. And we hope none of them are violent, if Biden wins or Trump wins.

Yes, violent people should be arrested and locked up no matter who they are. But in this case, and in this thread it is the Trump supporters who Robert says will explode into violence if their candidate loses. I don't hear Biden supporters making the same threats at all.

That is Robert's opinion and no more. I haven't heard about Trump supporters who will explode with violence if he loses either.

However we all know liberals, Biden and the main stream media, who really dislike Trump and love to use him for their ever anti-Trump news stories, any negative stories about Trump supporters would be broadcasted on CNN, MSNBC, the View , the NY Times, ad-nauseum. Biden will shout and rant about it in one of his speeches as he reads his large print tele-prompter. It seems he muddles his way through many of his speeches, but when it comes to Trump and those extreme MAGA Republicans, he gets animated and yells. A few days ago he stereotyped Republican law makers as "killers" who will be responsible for killing millions, if they change the ACA. Ironic since he is the one who emboldens and empowers killing machines such as Putin and Iran. And also supports the killing of the unborn.

What they do is take a story about one or two incidents of violent threats from a Trump supporter and stereotype every Trump supporter by the one or two. You even did that with the link to the story you posted. Insinuating that the "Trump World" is filled with violent maniacs. When that is so far from the truth.

As for not hearing Biden supporters not making the same threats, there were plenty of threats made in 2016 after Trump went to office, like blowing up the White House, etc.

[Ken]

As for not hearing Biden supporters not making the same threats, there were plenty of threats made in 2016 after Trump went to office, like blowing up the White House, etc.

After the 2016 election Hillary Clinton conceded and in the Senate, Vice President Biden presided over an orderly certification process that certified Trump's electoral college win.

Anyone who riots or engages in violence on either side shouldn't be tolerated. They should be arrested and serve hard time. Regardless of who they are. We should stop tolerating these sorts of threats of violence and actual violence associated with our elections.

The real problem is when politicians fail to show leadership and incite their followers to violence rather than supporting democracy and democratic outcomes.

[Josh]

As for not hearing Biden supporters not making the same threats, there were plenty of threats made in 2016 after Trump went to office, like blowing up the White House, etc.

After the 2016 election Hillary Clinton conceded and in the Senate, Vice President Biden presided over an orderly certification process that certified Trump's electoral college win.

Anyone who riots or engages in violence on either side shouldn't be tolerated. They should be arrested and serve hard time. Regardless of who they are. We should stop tolerating these sorts of threats of violence and actual violence associated with our elections.

But the violence in 2020 was okay since it wasn’t “associated with our elections”?

[Ken]

As for not hearing Biden supporters not making the same threats, there were plenty of threats made in 2016 after Trump went to office, like blowing up the White House, etc.

After the 2016 election Hillary Clinton conceded and in the Senate, Vice President Biden presided over an orderly certification process that certified Trump's electoral college win.

Anyone who riots or engages in violence on either side shouldn't be tolerated. They should be arrested and serve hard time. Regardless of who they are. We should stop tolerating these sorts of threats of violence and actual violence associated with our elections.

But the violence in 2020 was okay since it wasn’t “associated with our elections”?

Lots of people were arrested and prosecuted in 2020. Hundreds of them. Violence is never OK and should never be tolerated and those who engage in it should be prosecuted. I'm not sure why you find this to be a difficult concept. But this is an election thread and I'm talking about the threats of election violence that Robert brought up. Not other random acts of violence unrelated to elections.

[Josh]

Incidentally, the amount of unchecked violence and skyrocketing crime in America is probably one of the things that is really boosting Trump’s chances.

[Ken]

Incidentally, the amount of unchecked violence and skyrocketing crime in America is probably one of the things that is really boosting Trump’s chances.

Where are you talking about? Violent crime is on the decline nationwide and in most individual cities as well.

And in any event, you keep telling us that governance should be a state and local issue not federal. You keep calling for a reduction in the federal government. We don't have Federal police in charge of law enforcement in our cities. Is that what you are asking for? Federal troops everywhere? Increasing the size of the FBI, ATF, DEA, etc. by tenfold?

Why do conservatives think that crime is a federal issue anyway? At least ordinary crime that doesn't cross multiple state boundaries.

[Robert]

Trumpworld is apparently filled with violent homicidal maniacs and gun fetishists.

Ken, please remember that it has been leftists that has actually shot people. The right has been remarkably reserved. I do not think that will continue.

Pulling out one crazy is not representative of the 81 million who voted for Trump the last election.

[Grace]

As for not hearing Biden supporters not making the same threats, there were plenty of threats made in 2016 after Trump went to office, like blowing up the White House, etc.

After the 2016 election Hillary Clinton conceded and in the Senate, Vice President Biden presided over an orderly certification process that certified Trump's electoral college win.

We are talking about threats of violence from Biden or Trump supporters, not an orderly certification process. Deflecting away from the issue being discussed, won’t change the facts.

An example of one of Biden supporter’s projection of violence was Kathy Griffin’s photo of a horrible bloodied severed head of Trump. I know that there are many Biden supporters who were appalled at that. But there are many examples of radical Biden supporters that threatened violence.

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