Flags

[Ken]

I wouldn’t be teaching elementary students about sexuality or homosexuality at all.

The bigger question is why you think to need taught about homosexuality?

Are you going to teach the other students in your class who might live in nuclear families that all the children in your class whose families don't look like theirs are living in FAKE, EVIL, and PERVERTED families? And that they need to stay far away from such families?

Be honest. You are a teacher in a public school and you get the children who come to you. You don't get to pick and choose which children you teach or have in your class. How are you going to approach teaching about families to a group of young students who come from all of those backgrounds and more?

I'm really curious about your answer.

I would teach children things like how to read, writing, math, home ec, biology, chemistry, and so forth.

I’m not sure what weird curriculum you teach where you have to teach about “families”. That doesn’t need to be taught anymore than you need to teach children how to speak.

Education is more than just basic reading and math. No, you aren't teaching sexuality to elementary school students. But you are learning about the society in which they live. And part of that is learning about families, neighborhoods, the larger world. What families are like in the US compared to China, Japan, Africa, etc. What is an aunt, uncle, cousin, grandfather, etc. When I was in first grade we drew our families and brought the pictures home. That was half a century ago.

All of that is part of education. And we don't ignore parts of the real world in which we live simply because you find them uncomfortable. It must be exhausting to live in constant disapproval of the people you see around you.

[temporal1]

TRY AGAIN: FLAGS
P.4:

i apologize.
on page 3, i added a RELATED note that is a different topic, it could be a new thread:

i wrote:
related: Justice Alito foresaw the pitfalls

This topic, “Flags,” is best staying narrowly focused on removal of extraneous flags+logos from gov property,
including but not limited to rainbows, and now rainbows+++ variations.

Various states are responding to this now. A good thing.

“A stitch in time saves 9” is true. The stitch was not made, so, now it’s .. 50? One for each state?

P.40 / Bunny Trails: Politics
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[temporal1]

The power of marketing. No material difference. Do not allow on gov property.

Collection: Joe Camel Cartoons

In a transparent effort to greatly increase their market share of young smokers, R.J. Reynolds initiated the now infamous Old Joe Camel campaign for the Camel brand in 1988. The campaign, which ran continuously for 9 years until 1997, featured a cool dromedary cartoon character and faced almost immediate criticism from the public for influencing children to smoke.

From the campaign’s inception, young people were primary targets.

The first Joe Camel ad in the United States was released to celebrate Camel’s 75th “birthday” and was based on a French advertisement for Camel filters from 1974 (1). The original French Joe Camel was reported to be a “smash” because “it’s about as young as you can get, and aims right at the young adult smoker Camel needs to attract” (2). (The term “young adult smoker” is industry jargon for the youngest spectrum of customers legally targeted through cigarette ads.)

https://tobacco.stanford.edu/cigarettes ... -cartoons/

“young adult” harty har har
these (politicized) symbols show up on infant wear, on toys, etc.

Related (not gov property)
https://nypost.com/2023/05/28/target-lo ... -clothing/

This topic is about cleaning up gov property. Basic common sense. Not complicated.

[temporal1]

TRY AGAIN: FLAGS
P.4:

i apologize.
on page 3, i added a RELATED note that is a different topic, it could be a new thread:

i wrote:
related: Justice Alito foresaw the pitfalls

This topic, “Flags,” is best staying narrowly focused on removal of extraneous flags+logos from gov property,
including but not limited to rainbows, and now rainbows+++ variations.

Various states are responding to this now. A good thing.

“A stitch in time saves 9” is true. The stitch was not made, so, now it’s .. 50? One for each state?

P.40 / Bunny Trails: Politics
viewtopic.php?t=3487&start=390

Correction: P.51: briar patch
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[Josh]

Education is more than just basic reading and math. No, you aren't teaching sexuality to elementary school students. But you are learning about the society in which they live. And part of that is learning about families, neighborhoods, the larger world. What families are like in the US compared to China, Japan, Africa, etc. What is an aunt, uncle, cousin, grandfather, etc. When I was in first grade we drew our families and brought the pictures home. That was half a century ago.

All of that is part of education. And we don't ignore parts of the real world in which we live simply because you find them uncomfortable. It must be exhausting to live in constant disapproval of the people you see around you.

Children don’t need to go to school to learn what an aunt, uncle, or cousin is. They can and do learn that at home.

Families are identical everywhere. Children have a mother and father. The same holds true in every country and continent. There are brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, and aunts.

There is no need at all to teach children gross perversions like about homosexuals and transsexuals.

[temporal1]

Children don’t need to go to school to learn what an aunt, uncle, or cousin is. They can and do learn that at home.

Families are identical everywhere. Children have a mother and father. The same holds true in every country and continent. There are brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, and aunts.

There is no need at all to teach children gross perversions like about homosexuals and transsexuals.

i agree with you, Josh.
can you exlain how this fits with defining+limiting flags+logos on gov property, as a gov housekeeping exercise?

perhaps one day there will be a class action lawsuit like the Joe Camel suit against all this forced marketing?
it’s forced, because minors are obligated to attend school, they have no, or little power, to speak up or leave, while bombarded with flashy, wild displays of minor+major impact. they are sitting ducks for whatever the next lib nonsense comes along.

it needs to be ended. minors are in no way prepared to deal with it.

[Ken]

Education is more than just basic reading and math. No, you aren't teaching sexuality to elementary school students. But you are learning about the society in which they live. And part of that is learning about families, neighborhoods, the larger world. What families are like in the US compared to China, Japan, Africa, etc. What is an aunt, uncle, cousin, grandfather, etc. When I was in first grade we drew our families and brought the pictures home. That was half a century ago.

All of that is part of education. And we don't ignore parts of the real world in which we live simply because you find them uncomfortable. It must be exhausting to live in constant disapproval of the people you see around you.

Children don’t need to go to school to learn what an aunt, uncle, or cousin is. They can and do learn that at home.

Families are identical everywhere. Children have a mother and father. The same holds true in every country and continent. There are brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, and aunts.

There is no need at all to teach children gross perversions like about homosexuals and transsexuals.

You do realize that in the real world, children are not just little inanimate objects that you slowly fill with information in the classroom. Children are naturally curious about the world they live in and that is their world. They socialize, talk with each other, play with each other, visit each other's homes. There are parents coming and going, volunteering in the schools, dropping kids off and picking them up. There are lots of school events, sports, concerts, recitals, carnivals involving participation of families. A lot of lessons also involve family participation at some level. Maybe in history you interview grandparents. Or do things that involve older brothers and sisters and parents.

If you are a GOOD teacher you will engage your students and design lessons that relate to the world in which they live. That is how student's learn.
And guess what. There will be many many children at school whose families do not match your notion of an ideal family. Children will be aware of this as they are naturally curious and talk and share.

Despite your desperate efforts to censor any information that conflicts with your world view, children are not stupid. They will see right through you if you put your bigotry on full display, and quickly figure out that you are lying to them. And then what? What comes next once your credibility is in shambles?

[Josh]

Can you explain why children need to have homosexuality taught to them, Ken?

[temporal1]

The topic: Remove extraneous flags+logos from gov property.

[Ken]

Can you explain why children need to have homosexuality taught to them, Ken?

They don't need it taught to them. They already know what it is because the world in which they live has gay people in it. They will encounter gay people in their lives and families and in the lives and families of their friends. No amount of desperate denialism on your part with change reality. If you interact with children you can either choose to lie to them about this or be honest with them. Its your choice.

But if you are a teacher it is your job to teach them about the real world that they live in, not some fantasy world that exists only in your imagination.