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JimFoxvog wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:34 am Here is a long detailed poll from Reuters:
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil ... 202023.pdf

I find it of particular interest that the percentage that says they would vote for Trump drops to 25% if he's convicted of a felony. (page 14)

It would seem important to get speedy trials. To make an informed choice, people should know if a person on the ballot is a criminal. If he believes he's innocent, Trump should want to get this out of the way.
A "speedy prosecution" would be even better.

So why did they wait 4 years, until an election year, to start prosecuting Trump?

Is this really about "justice", or election tampering?

They have timed these trials so that they will be an election issue in 2024, whether Trump is convicted or not.

If they had prosecuted him immediately when there was evidence of a crime, it would have been resolved by now.

So they waited, until now, to bring this all up, for political reasons, and not for the sake of justice.

People like that should not be in charge of our judicial system.

Another good reason to vote them out.
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JohnHurt wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:16 pm
JimFoxvog wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:34 am Here is a long detailed poll from Reuters:
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil ... 202023.pdf

I find it of particular interest that the percentage that says they would vote for Trump drops to 25% if he's convicted of a felony. (page 14)

It would seem important to get speedy trials. To make an informed choice, people should know if a person on the ballot is a criminal. If he believes he's innocent, Trump should want to get this out of the way.
A "speedy prosecution" would be even better.

So why did they wait 4 years, until an election year, to start prosecuting Trump?

Is this really about "justice", or election tampering?

They have timed these trials so that they will be an election issue in 2024, whether Trump is convicted or not.

If they had prosecuted him immediately when there was evidence of a crime, it would have been resolved by now.

So they waited, until now, to bring this all up, for political reasons, and not for the sake of justice.

People like that should not be in charge of our judicial system.

Another good reason to vote them out.
Most of the delays have been instigated by Trump and his legal team. Delay is his actual legal strategy. So if you are a Trump supporter don’t complain about the timing.
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Ken wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:59 pm Most of the delays have been instigated by Trump and his legal team. Delay is his actual legal strategy.
That is not a correct statement. These cases were brought out against Trump in time to influence the 2024 election:

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-cases-geor ... 51743.html

The Georgia case by Fani Willis against Trump started in 2023 to make it a 2024 election year issue. She waited nearly 3 years to bring this out.

Willis is now under investigation for using state funds to pay her lover so that they could take cruises and expensive vacations together.

Jack Smith is bringing the January 6 2021 "insurrection" trial to start on Jan 2nd 2024. He waited 3 years.
In the "discovery phase" of the trial, the Jack Smith investigation will have to reveal to the Trump legal team how many FBI agents were dressed as Trump supporters and encouraged "insurrection", like Ray Epps. (There were busloads of FBI agents, according to witnesses.) I have a feeling the FBI will delay this trial for good reason.

Confidential Documents case - that Trump supposedly sensitive documents had ever since he left office in 2021 - will start May 20, 2024.
Confidential documents were also found at Biden's house, and are supposedly "under investigation", but are not important enough to be an election year issue by the media, or the Justice Dept.

Manhattan "hush money" case - this goes back to 2016 for a supposed payment to Stormy Daniels. This trial starts March 25, 2024 and is 8 years old.

What might be good, in the future, is when you make a statement like "the delays have been caused by Trump", is to back up your statement with a source. Otherwise, you will lose your credibility.
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JohnHurt wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:10 am Confidential Documents case - that Trump supposedly sensitive documents had ever since he left office in 2021 - will start May 20, 2024.
The archive tried to get these returned for a long time. Trump refused to admit he had the documents, then returned some and claimed they were all returned. Then they had to gather evidence to conduct a search. The indictment could only follow the search proving the documents were still in Trump's possession.
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JimFoxvog wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:52 pm
JohnHurt wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:10 am Confidential Documents case - that Trump supposedly sensitive documents had ever since he left office in 2021 - will start May 20, 2024.
The archive tried to get these returned for a long time. Trump refused to admit he had the documents, then returned some and claimed they were all returned. Then they had to gather evidence to conduct a search. The indictment could only follow the search proving the documents were still in Trump's possession.
Yes, I saw that they did a "middle of the night" SWAT team assault on Trump's residence, as the documents were armed and considered dangerous.

They also pilfered through Melania's wardrobe, as the documents could have been hiding in her drawers and they had to check to make certain the documents weren't posing as underwear.

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was on August 8, 2022, and the classified documents case could have easily been initiated by January 2023. So delaying the trial until May 20, 2024 doesn't hold water. These investigations have been delayed until the 2024 election year for political reasons.

So what about investigating the "other side"?

What about investigating the classified documents found at Biden's house? No.
Hunter's dope problem, as smoking crack is illegal, right? No.
Pictures of Hunter on his laptop committing crimes? No.
10% for the Big Guy on the Hunter's emails - showing that Biden was taking bribes? No.
Bobulinski testifying that Biden was taking bribes? No.
Burisma and Biden bragging about how he would withhold US funding to Ukraine unless the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Hunter was fired? No.
Hillary's illegal private server that was "bleach bit" erased while under subpoena by Congress? No.
Eric Swalwell and the security leak to the Chinese spy "Fang Fang"? No.
Any investigation of Pelosi's insider trading on the stock market as how she got so rich? No.
Any releasing of the videos that Epstein had on very powerful people showing they were committing statutory rape, which is a crime, right? No.
What about even releasing the names of the people that were associated with Epstein and his statutory rape "industry"? No.

And here is why it is always "No": The people that committed these crimes are all loyal Democrats and so will never be investigated.

But Trump, he had some classified documents, so he must be held accountable. After all, he is a Republican.
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JohnHurt wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:08 pm Yes, I saw that they did a "middle of the night" SWAT team assault on Trump's residence, as the documents were armed and considered dangerous.

They also pilfered through Melania's wardrobe, as the documents could have been hiding in her drawers and they had to check to make certain the documents weren't posing as underwear.

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was on August 8, 2022, and the classified documents case could have easily been initiated by January 2023. So delaying the trial until May 20, 2024 doesn't hold water. These investigations have been delayed until the 2024 election year for political reasons.

So what about investigating the "other side"?

What about investigating the classified documents found at Biden's house? No.
Hunter's dope problem, as smoking crack is illegal, right? No.
Pictures of Hunter on his laptop committing crimes? No.
10% for the Big Guy on the Hunter's emails - showing that Biden was taking bribes? No.
Bobulinski testifying that Biden was taking bribes? No.
Burisma and Biden bragging about how he would withhold US funding to Ukraine unless the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Hunter was fired? No.
Hillary's illegal private server that was "bleach bit" erased while under subpoena by Congress? No.
Eric Swalwell and the security leak to the Chinese spy "Fang Fang"? No.
Any investigation of Pelosi's insider trading on the stock market as how she got so rich? No.
Any releasing of the videos that Epstein had on very powerful people showing they were committing statutory rape, which is a crime, right? No.
What about even releasing the names of the people that were associated with Epstein and his statutory rape "industry"? No.

And here is why it is always "No": The people that committed these crimes are all loyal Democrats and so will never be investigated.

But Trump, he had some classified documents, so he must be held accountable. After all, he is a Republican.
On P.42, viewtopic.php?t=1343&start=410
a short video with JAMIE DIMON remarking on the DNC/DJT at 2024 WEF, Davos.

do you think his life may be at risk over his candid words?
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temporal1 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:02 pm
JohnHurt wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:08 pm Yes, I saw that they did a "middle of the night" SWAT team assault on Trump's residence, as the documents were armed and considered dangerous.

They also pilfered through Melania's wardrobe, as the documents could have been hiding in her drawers and they had to check to make certain the documents weren't posing as underwear.

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was on August 8, 2022, and the classified documents case could have easily been initiated by January 2023. So delaying the trial until May 20, 2024 doesn't hold water. These investigations have been delayed until the 2024 election year for political reasons.

So what about investigating the "other side"?

What about investigating the classified documents found at Biden's house? No.
Hunter's dope problem, as smoking crack is illegal, right? No.
Pictures of Hunter on his laptop committing crimes? No.
10% for the Big Guy on the Hunter's emails - showing that Biden was taking bribes? No.
Bobulinski testifying that Biden was taking bribes? No.
Burisma and Biden bragging about how he would withhold US funding to Ukraine unless the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Hunter was fired? No.
Hillary's illegal private server that was "bleach bit" erased while under subpoena by Congress? No.
Eric Swalwell and the security leak to the Chinese spy "Fang Fang"? No.
Any investigation of Pelosi's insider trading on the stock market as how she got so rich? No.
Any releasing of the videos that Epstein had on very powerful people showing they were committing statutory rape, which is a crime, right? No.
What about even releasing the names of the people that were associated with Epstein and his statutory rape "industry"? No.

And here is why it is always "No": The people that committed these crimes are all loyal Democrats and so will never be investigated.

But Trump, he had some classified documents, so he must be held accountable. After all, he is a Republican.
On P.42, viewtopic.php?t=1343&start=410
a short video with JAMIE DIMON remarking on the DNC/DJT at 2024 WEF, Davos.

do you think his life may be at risk over his candid words?
They would make him into a martyr and prove that everything he said was true. So they probably won't do it.

A lot of these liberal news outlets like "News Nation" have lost most of their viewers, but act otherwise. CNN will have around 100,000 views, while a single Joe Rogan podcast will have 30 million views. Alex Jones will have 40 million views. The "Alex Jones Game" - a video game where the "Alex Jones" character defeats Soros, Clinton, Epstein, and the New World Order - this is now the most popular video game on Steam. If you don't know what Steam is, it is because you are over 40 years old. Video games influence a lot of young people.

The mainstream media is dead, they just don't know it.

Most of the youth are not rich or able to go to college, so they are not being "socialized" by the college "experience". They are welders, warehouse workers, and work with their hands, and they are now broke under Biden, while they had what the needed under Trump. The Democrats just don't get it. There is a tidal wave of young people that hate Biden and what the Democrats are doing to our country.

Dimon was right, the Democrats should grow up and figure out why Trump is so popular. The Trump economy, securing the border, stopping these endless wars - these are popular issues. The Democrats are obviously being ruled by the Elite who want open borders, war with Christian Russia, and cutting off our economy.

Nobody likes the Democrats - only middle age and old liberals vote for them. Their days are numbered, that is, if we have honest and fair elections.

The only way the Democrats can hold onto power in 2024 is to steal the election like they did in 2020, or kill the candidate that is the greatest threat to them.

If they don't, then many of them may go to jail. A new FBI and DOJ - that is not the enforcement arm of the Democrat party - but rendered justice evenly to those that broke the laws - would put many, many Democrats in jail. Just start with all of those men on the Epstein videos having sex with underage girls. Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, and many, many other Democrats would all go to jail.

Once the Democrats are out, and we have a fair and balanced FBI and DOJ, things will be very, very different. I think God would be pleased.

We need to be under the rule of law that is applied evenly and fairly to everyone, and not this one sided legal system that lets the Democrats do whatever they want and punishes those that oppose them.
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.. A lot of these liberal news outlets like "News Nation" have lost most of their viewers, but act otherwise. ..

As you might imagine, this was reported by a number of sources, i’m not familiar with News Nation, i chose it because it was the shortest i saw, and included the pertinent direct quotes (Jamie Dimon) without “so much” opinion.

The DNC is 100% invested in their magnificent propaganda machine, it is daunting, however, for all they invest, elections are remarkably close, which suggests .. “money doesn’t buy everything.”

Possibly my biggest hope is to see balance brought to education+healthcare, that is, wrt political affiliations.
It just seems like a glaring imbalance in education when the vast majorities of educators are registered libs.

How to correct the imbalance without forced legislation??
First, identify it, and point out the ridiculousness that’s been tolerated all these decades.

The U.S. Public Treasury should not be a big petty cash drawer for lib social engineering EXPERIMENTS.
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JohnHurt wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:09 pm Once the Democrats are out, and we have a fair and balanced FBI and DOJ, things will be very, very different. I think God would be pleased.
I have yet to see anyone drain the swamp, without refilling the swamp with people like those who were just ousted.
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Ernie wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:06 am
JohnHurt wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:09 pm Once the Democrats are out, and we have a fair and balanced FBI and DOJ, things will be very, very different. I think God would be pleased.
I have yet to see anyone drain the swamp, without refilling the swamp with people like those who were just ousted.
Well you'd probably have to really follow it all, to see the difference and as true Anabaptists, you're not going to do that but getting your info from short clips here & there and drawing conclusions, it's better just to stay complety away. I liken it to unbelievers that is will use Scripture our of context to make their arguments. Better than to do what Scripture teaches-;pray for those who God appoints and if everyone really does that maybe we will see a difference. I happen to think Trump's appointments to the Supreme court HAS made a difference
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